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    The Limitation of Power

    We have found that once we get the politics right, most things follow along.

    But how do we get the politics right?

    Well, we start with the premise that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And so the corollary is that the limitation of power will limit corruption.

    And as it is not possible to abolish power, we limit power with power. This is called the Separation of Powers. And is the basis of liberal democracy.

    Of course liberal democracy is a work in progress, and we are still managing to limit physical power in the military and the church. As I write military and church rapists are coming subject to a Royal Commission.

    But although we have had some success in limiting physical power, we have hardly begun to address the limitation of emotional power.

    We have though made a start in limiting emotional power by recognising the hidden culture of emotional aggression in girls, and by criminalising the purchase of sex, at least in Sweden.

    So altough the liberal democratic project of limiting power has had some historical succeses, we still have miles to go before we sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We have found that once we get the politics right, most things follow along.

    But how do we get the politics right?

    Well, we start with the premise that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And so the corollary is that the limitation of power will limit corruption.

    And as it is not possible to abolish power, we limit power with power. This is called the Separation of Powers. And is the basis of liberal democracy.

    Of course liberal democracy is a work in progress, and we are still managing to limit physical power in the military and the church. As I write military and church rapists are coming subject to a Royal Commission.

    But although we have had some success in limiting physical power, we have hardly begun to address the limitation of emotional power.

    We have though made a start in limiting emotional power by recognising the hidden culture of emotional aggression in girls, and by criminalising the purchase of sex, at least in Sweden.

    So altough the liberal democratic project of limiting power has had some historical succeses, we still have miles to go before we sleep.
    No, no, no Victor.

    You're writing like there's never been any economic analysis of anything, EVER, plus what about socialism? Huh? What was that about? I read this and think that hundreds and hundreds of years of history and experience has just been forgotten about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, no, no Victor.

    You're writing like there's never been any economic analysis of anything, EVER, plus what about socialism? Huh? What was that about? I read this and think that hundreds and hundreds of years of history and experience has just been forgotten about.
    I confess when the Berlin Wall came down in 1989, I thought socialism was over.

    Then came the book, "The Black Book of Communism", by a group of French, socialist historians telling us that Marxism took the lives of 100,000 of their own people over a period of 70 years. And I thought socialism was dead and buried.

    And in the meantime millions upon millions have been lifted out of extreme poverty by capitalism in Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, no, no Victor.

    You're writing like there's never been any economic analysis of anything, EVER, plus what about socialism? Huh? What was that about? I read this and think that hundreds and hundreds of years of history and experience has just been forgotten about.
    Victor is an optimist. However Lark I fear you have nostalgia for days past so because the world is trending away from that you're a pessimist. Don't worry, there is still room in the future for the type of family you grew up in and love so much, it's just the way it's expressed will be slightly different.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Power doesn't corrupt. Power attracts pathological, corruptible personalities, many of whom wish to use their power to limit the power of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Power doesn't corrupt. Power attracts pathological, corruptible personalities, many of whom wish to use their power to limit the power of others.
    This is a semantic response to the great political discovery of the Enlightenment of the 17th and 18th centuries in the West.

    Such a response diminishes the discovery as well as the responder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is a semantic response to the great political discovery of the Enlightenment of the 17th and 18th centuries in the West.

    Such a response diminishes the discovery as well as the responder.
    We can't "diminish" a discovery anymore than we can "diminish" power.

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    Yes we can. Inside of ourselves if nowhere else.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    We can't "diminish" a discovery anymore than we can "diminish" power.
    I make it a habit not to enter arguments with members. And I particulary don't enter semantic arguments.

    And I don't enter semantic arguments because they conceal more than they reveal. In other words, semantic arguments are dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    In other words, semantic arguments are dishonest.
    Yeah okay Victor.

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