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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    I'm not an Atheist, but I work off the same dataset as them people. I don't see any life after death, just nothing. I suppose in a strange way you can live on in the effects of your actions, but it's not the same as living consciousness.
    This is interesting. If you are not an atheist do you believe in God but that he has not ordained a life besides this one or afterlife?

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    There are atheistic (although perhaps they would not have used that label) religious believers, such as Erich Fromm or Fuerbach (spelling), perhaps Maimonides, at least as Fromm conceived of his writings, so it is possible to live a life with religious answers to the existential problems without belief in God in the way theists confess belief in God or necessarily a belief in an afterlife. Belief in the "world to come" and hoping to live in a manner which would mean you belong to it rather than the present could be about believing in a more perfect future, an epoch in historical time, rather than an afterlife of the spirit.

    I hope for an afterlife of the spirit, that consciousness exists besides its present form but I dont know if there is such a thing.

    Edit: NB another problem or question is not whether or not there is an afterlife but whether or not the consciousness which would survive beyond death would be anything like existence at present, it could be so different as to not warrant the label of after"life".

    This may sound daft but there was an excellent episode of the old Hulk TV series which featured Thor, he was summoned from a non-life state by whoever possessed the hammer artifact, in it the Thor character described an existence without body, being entirely mind and remembering the body but being unable to experience anything bodily and he described it as hellish. It was a play upon the idea that Thor was a very typical viking and obsessed with the pleasures of fighting, feasting, f**king but it made a good point more generally. Meister Eckhart made some similar points and described prayer and religious ritual as preparatory for the afterlife, in it being purely about consciousness, the unprepared would experience hell, the prepared heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    This is interesting. If you are not an atheist do you believe in God but that he has not ordained a life besides this one or afterlife?
    I suppose I don't believe in things so much as devine things (pardon the pun). And while I see the shape of intent in the Universe, I don't see anything that necessitates an afterlife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    I suppose I don't believe in things so much as devine things (pardon the pun). And while I see the shape of intent in the Universe, I don't see anything that necessitates an afterlife.
    I can actually conceive of a God and divine plan which hasnt an afterlife as part of the plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I can actually conceive of a God and divine plan which hasnt an afterlife as part of the plan.
    Like Deism!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Like Deism!
    Perhaps, there's more to deism than God without an afterlife, there is also deism which confesses an afterlife too.

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    i believe when i die, i will become fertilizer and my concerns on having a consciousness when im dead won`t matter. i don believe there will be angels to greet me or demons.

    i have known people who have died and all have told me that they don`t remember anything. there was no light or voices.

    its a scary idea for people to hold onto that when they die, there wont be anything at the end of the tunnel. there wont be a tunnel.
    all your deeds on earth don`t really matter.

    there is no person keeping track of everything, every little thing about you, including all the hairs on your head because they love you. its fantasy, emotional porn. its fake. something we choose to comfort ourselves as our candles wick burns out.

    if there is ever a reason to exercise good moral judgement, cause its probably some question in your head you might ask. it would be for the ones after us can have things better after we have passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    You are born
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    (1) Is that what you believe in Or do you believe there is more to it than that?
    That's it.

    "I" is a description of a certain physical phenomenon. When the physical phenomenon ceases to be, "I" is meaningless.

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    (2) What purpose do you believe is there to life?
    I find that to be an oddly self-referential question. To answer "none" still gives validity to the term "purpose", which isn't quite right. I reject the question altogether, and just define purpose in a much smaller scope -- it's a function of my short-term biological drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    That's it.

    "I" is a description of a certain physical phenomenon. When the physical phenomenon ceases to be, "I" is meaningless.



    I find that to be an oddly self-referential question. To answer "none" still gives validity to the term "purpose", which isn't quite right. I reject the question altogether, and just define purpose in a much smaller scope -- it's a function of my short-term biological drives.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    You are born
    You live
    You die
    Then it's all over

    (1) Is that what you believe in Or do you believe there is more to it than that?

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    (2) What purpose do you believe is there to life?

    #1 I'd like to believe there is some afterlife but I seriously doubt there is. Once it's over, it's over.

    #2 I'm not sure there is an inherent purpose to life. I do believe life is what you make it. You create your own purpose. Also as @Aquarelle said, "to leave the world a better place."
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