Is suicide justified?

[Trunks]

i think suicide is wrong and not the right thing to do.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

No, actually it is not easy to know what is "natural," or what that word even means exactly. I think that was EcK's point.

Oh. Weird.

 

[WALMART]

The right to die is always valid.

 

[Forever_Jung]

[YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv3YF4XM6wE"]Louis CK's perspective is always important[/YOUTUBE]

 

[greenfairy]

I don't think morality has anything to do with it. Suicide is the result of an unfortunate situation, and is unfortunate for the other people involved. It is preferable in some situations to things like torture or a slow and painful death.

My ethics consist of being responsible for the consequences of your actions. Most people who commit suicide are being self focused and not thinking about what effect it will have on others, but it is worth considering. I would not judge suicide to be the "honorable" consequence of actions you have done, but accepting death by someone else may be. I would not judge anyone who did think it was honorable, especially if it was the custom in their culture (such as with the samurai); I just might think it was a bit excessive.

 

[Rasofy]

To end suffering, all you have to do is blow out the candle :]

Is that a euphemism?

 

[Darya]

Suicide means you are making the overpopulation a lesser problem without disrespecting the integrity of other people. It's the ultimate unselfish act a person can make.

???? honorable and ethical?????? I know that this a free forum and every one is entiltled to their own opinion.... However, you guys have to be extra careful about the information that are being stated on this thread due to the sensetive nature of the topic. There are people here on this forum who maybe contempleting suicide and perhaps are looking for a "sign" or a favorable opinion to do that....


I am not suggesting that life does not suck sometimes, and is not unjust but we humans with our limited knowldge are not aware of the opposite of life which is "nothingness", as it may be more painful....

 

[Elfboy]

an inconsequential conversation. whether suicide is "justified" is going to be the last thing on the mind of someone seriously considering it

 

[Darya]

an inconsequential conversation. whether suicide is "justified" is going to be the last thing on the mind of someone seriously considering it

I have to disagree with you. There are many people who maybe consider taking their lives but due to religious reasons, or out of concern for their families... may not do that, but when they read threads such as this one, when some people are refrerring to suicide as a "noble and unselfish act", and some are literally justify the action by giving unlimtrd freedom to people over their own lives., then commiting suicide does not seem so morbid... and it even may seem "justfied"! is that the goal of this thread???

 

[Rasofy]

???? honorable and ethical?????? I know that this a free forum and every one is entiltled to their own opinion.... However, you guys have to be extra careful about the information that are being stated on this thread due to the sensetive nature of the topic. There are people here on this forum who maybe contempleting suicide and perhaps are looking for a "sign" or a favorable opinion to do that....

This subforum is for discussions, not for self help. I offered a perspective that is both logical and inconvenient. I was showing that is perfectly possible to defend that suicide can be considered a good thing from an ethical perspective (which, ofc, doesn't mean people who commit suicide are usually guided by ethical motives).
To your credit, you may have a point, so I'm gonna edit my post to clarify it.

I am not suggesting that life does not suck sometimes, and is not unjust but we humans with our limited knowldge are not aware of the opposite of life which is "nothingness", as it may be more painful....

le sigh

 

[Darya]

"To your credit, you may have a point, so I'm gonna edit my post to clarify it".


I appreciate your openess to others' opinions.. Such a great INTP quality..

 

[Orangey]

Oh. Weird.

Oh shit. Stop the presses, AphroditeGoneAwry has got the answer! No philosophical or linguistic conundrums for her! She doesn't have to think too hard about anything because she's got common sense, durr!

 

[ZPowers]

an inconsequential conversation. whether suicide is "justified" is going to be the last thing on the mind of someone seriously considering it

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with this. Justification is relative and highly situational. There is no correct answer to the topic question, and even if there were it wouldn't change anything.

 

[ZPowers]

an inconsequential conversation. whether suicide is "justified" is going to be the last thing on the mind of someone seriously considering it

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with this. Justification is relative, there is no correct answer to the topic question, and even if there was it wouldn't change anything.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

Oh shit. Stop the presses, AphroditeGoneAwry has got the answer! No philosophical or linguistic conundrums for her! She doesn't have to think too hard about anything because she's got common sense, durr!

I just find it hard to believe people can't figure out what 'natural' means. If you could explain more in depth what you mean, that would be interesting (for me at least).

 

[EcK]

Oh. Weird.

It's by the way. called the naturalist fallacy. you can google it.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

It's by the way. called the naturalist fallacy. you can google it.

Two things:

One, my main point with Orangey was that I find it odd that people cannot figure out what 'natural' is; that understanding why what is natural is so hard. And none of you seem to be answering me...

Two, you sort of make a leap into saying that what I've said falls under what is designated the 'naturalist fallacy.' I think there is room for discussion about if what I've even said could be defined as falling under that, and also just because Steven Pinker or someone else calls something a fallacy, doesn't necessarily mean it is. I mean, ideas and theories change all the time. I think it's an interesting topic in its own right and I've always been interested at our relationship with nature, and our attempt at dominating it unsuccessfully.

 

[Fluffywolf]

It's never justified IMO

Good article.

Anyhow, I wonder if it could be justified (from a societal perspective) if the person commiting suicide has done many wrongs, and the world can be considered better off without that person. Like the types of suicides you often hear about them crazy people murdering their own family and then taking their own life. But then again, I can´t help but wonder that if they would kill themselves first, would it still be considered justifiable.

Either way, suicide is a cowardly way out, and until we become immortal and live forever, I can´t see it being ever truely justifiable.

 

[LEGERdeMAIN]

Is that a euphemism?

Yes, it is.

 

[Coriolis]

This subforum is for discussions, not for self help. I offered a perspective that is both logical and inconvenient. I was showing that is perfectly possible to defend that suicide can be considered a good thing from an ethical perspective (which, ofc, doesn't mean people who commit suicide are usually guided by ethical motives).
To your credit, you may have a point, so I'm gonna edit my post to clarify it.

So, by extension, we should not discuss whether stealing, or murder, or cheating on your SO is ever justified lest someone take that as license to do it??? It is cowardly to be afraid of an idea, and pointless to try to take responsibility for the actions of others.