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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    intent is subjective.
    Screw intent, I was measuring the act per se. Besides, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    anymore humorous tidbits to share with the rest of us ?
    Thanks for asking, that's it for today.
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    The Memes Justify the End EcK's Avatar
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    Am I the only one who's run in to this phenomenon?
    that's called contrast. If people's expectations are low they are going to assume that anything merely normal or '+' is amazing. if they are otherly biased in wanting attention or something from that person they will develop something which probably isn't totally psychologically alien from what happens to hostage victims when they side with the captor.
    It's either amusing or really sad. but thats immaturity for ya.
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    The Memes Justify the End EcK's Avatar
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    Aww come on now Baby. It's relatively easy to know what is natural, no? Of course we have free will to alter nature, which is what we do. I'm just saying I rarely think that makes things better. And don't worry, we will return to that soupy energy soon enough. But I'll be there with you, so no worries.
    'you' wont be anywhere. Neither will 'I' according to current models. (i mean the serious ones that dont mention unicorns and dads in the sky)

    wakie wakie. this isn't a fairy tale. everything isn't going to be alright in the end. and death seems like the end of 'life' and there is no proof or even hint to the contrary.
    So is it so strange that I couldn't possibly see what a 'good death' could be.
    And this isn't 'my opinion'. It's the only thing evidence seems to suggest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    that's called contrast. If people's expectations are low they are going to assume that anything merely normal or '+' is amazing. if they are otherly biased in wanting attention or something from that person they will develop something which probably isn't totally psychologically alien from what happens to hostage victims when they side with the captor.
    It's either amusing or really sad. but thats immaturity for ya.
    Can you elaborate? You confuse me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    It is natural, and best for most, to die a natural death is my main assertion.

    One thing to consider is that dying of old age is not really the natural order of things. It is only in recent history that any living creature lived past the point where it could effectively feed and protect itself, and only the last couple hundred years that people started living past fifty. The natural order is to be picked off as food or die of an illness or injury long before dementia kicks in.

    We have effectively discarded the 'natural' order for the current one, and the current one allows for long-term suffering with no chance of recovery. Not an ideal situation, by any stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurie View Post
    Is your highest priority to avoid suffering?
    Suffering outweighs pleasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Suffering outweighs pleasure.
    Negative utilitarianism, then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Suffering outweighs pleasure.


    I don't disagree.
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    The Memes Justify the End EcK's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by raine_lynn View Post
    Negative utilitarianism, then?
    No actually that would be utilitarianism updated to add findings from evolutionary psychology. The cost/benefit analysis gives more weight to pain avoidance than pleasure seeking overall. (please dont tell me about your daredevil cousin, its a statistical spread)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Suffering outweighs pleasure.
    you're welcome
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I'm not sure what you are meaning here. I'm stereotyping, yes, that some people--esp T types perhaps--can get away with being brusque and blunt in general society more easily than F types can....and this extends to men as well. People doing the 'excusing' don't realize they are making allowances for 'T types' as most do not know typology. But there does seem to be a consensus that it's easier to tolerate chronic rudeness in our society than emo bursts of rudeness or assertiveness, and it's almost admired when harsh 'T types' are nice, versus an overall niceness and warmth of 'F types.' If that is too stereotypical for you, just sub in harsh person for nice person in place of T type and F type, respectively. In other words, it's cool to say the rude guy is really 'nice' underneath it all.

    Am I the only one who's run in to this phenomenon?
    Not all types of "rudeness" are equal.

    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I'm not sure what you are arguing for here. It is natural, and best for most, to die a natural death is my main assertion. Why is that so confusing? Hell, we are so effed up we don't even know how to die anymore. There used to be a ritual when someone died and now our ritual is to pump him full of chemicals before he dies, then pump him full of chemicals after he dies as well. And in the meantime, to put him out of his misery. lol.

    Aww come on now Baby. It's relatively easy to know what is natural, no? Of course we have free will to alter nature, which is what we do. I'm just saying I rarely think that makes things better. And don't worry, we will return to that soupy energy soon enough. But I'll be there with you, so no worries.
    No, actually it is not easy to know what is "natural," or what that word even means exactly. I think that was EcK's point.
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