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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    That's not true there are plenty of people who consider taking their own lives who takes other peoples opinion.
    I doubt it. What people usually are looking for is some sort of emotional proof that somebody else cares or just getting shocked out of their framework, that often comes in the form of somebody having an interest enough to state an opinion. The content doesn't matter as much as the connection.

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    I know sometimes life is really really really impossible to bear. I mean there is a cracking point for any human soul. However, I always justify in my head that we don't really live that long anyway, we really don't. I have trouble with the idea of totally losing all hope in anything bright for the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    When is suicide justified? when is it "ok" to take your own life? how much personal suffering should you have to endure from the world or how much suffering do you have to create in the world for suicide to be justified? discuss.
    It's never justified IMO

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    I think in cases of the people medically diagnosed w/terminal illness, and are essentially in hospice care- waiting to die, bedridden & in constant pain, suicide would be justified. I'd support assisted suicide to make the process easier for the people involved. But it'd have to be someone definitely terminally ill, like, there's no chance for recovery.

    I mean, we don't condemn people for putting animals down when they reach that point.. I'd say humans deserve that same mercy without fear or guilt at the end.
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    But sometimes they don't have much pain. And most of the time there is a checking-out process where their minds really seemed to be leaving their bodies....You would want to rob them of that departure process? I think euthanasia is cruel. And has fatalistic ramifications we do not even care to fathom, much less consider. Why does everyone think hurrying death is so beneficial and superior to allowing the normal process to unfold??
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    But sometimes they don't have much pain. And most of the time there is a checking-out process where their minds really seemed to be leaving their bodies....You would want to rob them of that departure process? I think euthanasia is cruel. And has fatalistic ramifications we do not even care to fathom, much less consider. Why does everyone think hurrying death is so beneficial and superior to allowing the normal process to unfold??
    That's why I specified in the cases where they are in constant pain. I've known people who were on the brink of death for ages- every moment was agonizing to be conscious. Everytime one man stumbled an inch back from the brink, he'd awaken struggling to take one single breath, openly wishing this last bout was finally his time. In cases like these, they're often pumped with morphine and sedatives until they just.. slip away. There's no mental process occurring, at all in those situations. So one could say that too, is defying ''nature.'' Other times, medications to alleviate pain are inaccessible, for whatever reason. And people who want to end that pain, often will, on their own, anyway. Having doctor-assisted suicide available at least removes some of the trauma and stigma associated with suicides of this nature. Ultimately, it's not up to any of us to decide how a sick, dying person ought to experience their last moments alive, regardless of personally held subjective belief systems & ideals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    Ultimately, it's not up to any of us to decide how a sick, dying person ought to experience their last moments alive, regardless of personally held subjective values and ideals.
    Except passing that and other kinds of judgment is exactly what a 1st world society does, to keep the wheels turning.
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    ^People should die a natural death. Whatever that is. I disagree with assisted suicide. I also disagree with pumping with meds to alleviate pain. When one experiences pain, one's endogenous endorphins kick in anyway, producing--I'd make an educated guess at--the ideal state for some sort of sub-conscious reflective state, passing from this side to the other. The entire process is necessary. To cut into any part of that is not ideal, and weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    ^People should die a natural death. Whatever that is. I disagree with assisted suicide. I also disagree with pumping with meds to alleviate pain. When one experiences pain, one's endogenous endorphins kick in anyway, producing--I'd make an educated guess at--the ideal state for some sort of sub-conscious reflective state, passing from this side to the other. The entire process is necessary. To cut into any part of that is not ideal, and weak.
    Please expound on how your guess is educated.
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    Mostly because I am intuitive about the natural processes of life, and coming into this world. I believe one can extrapolate similarities to death with this as well.

    I have also seen some of this from working at nursing homes, and though I have only been witness to a handful of people passing on into the next realm, I can say what I have seen corroborates what my intuition told me was true.

    Not to mention animals' and pets' deaths....No, I do not have my pets put down. They die natural deaths and they are beautiful in their own way.
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