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    I have wanted to die before. But never enough to actually make myself do it or even plan it. I think I was pretty depressed or that my perceptions were kind of skewed to think that that would be the solution, but I guess I just felt like anything else except dying would take too much energy.

    I haven't felt that way so overwhelmingly for a couple years though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Schopenhauer View Post
    Whatever meaning we may contrive from our existence, so as to give our lives purpose, will become bereft of itself when we no longer exist. To put it another way, perhaps I could find a cure to cancer, but what's the point if the patient I've cured will die of natural causes regardless?

    Take this cancer concept and apply it to all of mankind and our ideals, goals, etc. and all progress becomes inefficient... It's like trying to stop Niagra Falls from falling, with a pair of chopsticks... And perhaps even, and I say this with no intention of offending anyone, romanticizing this futile act is absurdly stupid.

    And no, I don't think happiness is a sufficient enough reason to live or to continue living.
    What is the point of doing anything, then? Specifically, what was the point of you logging to TypoC and putting an effort into making a post about how doing anything is ultimately pointless?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Schopenhauer View Post
    Whatever meaning we may contrive from our existence, so as to give our lives purpose, will become bereft of itself when we no longer exist. To put it another way, perhaps I could find a cure to cancer, but what's the point if the patient I've cured will die of natural causes regardless?

    Take this cancer concept and apply it to all of mankind and our ideals, goals, etc. and all progress becomes inefficient... It's like trying to stop Niagra Falls from falling, with a pair of chopsticks... And perhaps even, and I say this with no intention of offending anyone, romanticizing this futile act is absurdly stupid.

    And no, I don't think happiness is a sufficient enough reason to live or to continue living.
    OK .. I see where you are coming from and thanks for replying.

    Another perspective .. Possibly.
    An act of pleasure should not be obtained a second time round as we are going to die anyway?
    The bond between mother/father and child should not be obtained as people die?

    Do you seriously consider that life is futile?

    Again, curious
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    ^^

    I tend not to argue with nihilists, there really isn't a point.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    What is the point of doing anything, then? Specifically, what was the point of you logging to TypoC and putting an effort into making a post about how doing anything is ultimately pointless?
    As I stated before, I am ironic. Life is not static, so neither am I.
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    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    Another perspective .. Possibly.
    An act of pleasure should not be obtained a second time round as we are going to die anyway?
    The bond between mother/father and child should not be obtained as people die?
    I've talked to someone about this before, that happiness should be maximized before death, and I really have to agree that it should. It's the most rational thing to do, currently.

    Do you seriously consider that life is futile?
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    I've contemplated it during mild depressive episodes but I've never been severly depressed enough to seriously consider following through on it. It would take some really drastic life event for me to actually attempt suicide. I could see myself committing suicide if I had some horrible physical ailment that left me in excruciating pain all the time with no means of treatment or if I had some medical condition that left me essentially an invalid who was dependent on others for every little thing and it looks like there would be no cure anywhere in the foreseeable future.
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    I feel quite vulnerable regarding this post, but i think it's nessecary. I don't want to hide behind the shame i feel regarding this situation when i think the healthy and more helpful thing to do would be to open up and hope something good comes from it.

    With that said, yes - i have contemplated suicide, attempted, and surprisingly survived.

    I could go on for hours as to what finally led me to that moment..but to be brief and not strip my soul bare..it began when i was 8 years old. A combination of emotional abuse, constant bullying, abandonment, mental illness and a murder led me to the only safe place i knew..deep inside myself. Death was the only thing that held comfort for me and i thought about and planned my suicide for years. Even when i was happy i still wanted to die. I thought life just wasn't for me and i did not want to continue experiencing it.


    I truly believe that is the case for some people.. i am not anti or pro suicide..but i do believe in freedom of choice and it is a person's life and they can decide to take it if they so chose - ONLY if they are clear of mind, an adult who hasn't given their life to raising another, and there is no mental illness burried within screaming at them to end it all.

    "He who does not accept and respect those who want to reject life does not truly accept and respect life itself."

    Thomas Szasz


    Although, while i believe in that freedom, i do think that most people who believe they truly want to die - that life just isn't for them - are underestimating their will to live. Until you have experienced that moment when you finally chose death over life, you will NEVER understand if death is truly what you wanted.

    I only had a few moments to shockingly realize how i really felt, but it was the biggest wake up call and the saddest moment of my life.
    I wasn't afraid
    ...but i was so full of deep regret and remorse
    I never ever knew..
    I had a will to live..
    And in those fleeting moments..
    I clung as hard as i could..
    To life.

    I slipped into unconsciousness knowing i made the ultimate mistake.

    I wonder how many people have died knowing they made this mistake.



    I never knew i had it me. Burried inside was a will to live, a want to live. I'm not "cured", i think i will always struggle, but when i feel that old familiar itch i cling to the worst feeling in the world.. that moment of deep regret i can never bare to experience again.

    I believe in one's freedom of choice and respect it, and i think it's horribly selfish to ask someone stay in the world to keep you from being hurt when they really do not want to be here and life just isn't for them - and only they can decide that. However, with that said, i also do not think you will ever know 100% until you've put your plan into motion and it is out of your hands.... and then it's too late to take it back.

    If you feel that will to live, and you are lucky, you will eventually return to consciousness without serious damage. But you will never come out of it as you were. Part of it will always stick with you. You don't come back "normal".

    Until i can turn my negative experience into a positive one, that will remain the day i died..



    "Most people, in committing a suicidal act, are just as muddled as when they do anything important under emotional stress. Carefully planned acts of suicide are as rare as carefully planned acts of homicide."

    "It is not a thing to do while one is not in one's best mind. Never kill yourself while you are suicidal."

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    (If anyone is struggling, want's to talk, someone to listen, or just a friend please feel free to pm me.)
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    I have thought of committing suicide. I think the strangest aspect of it was that I had no real reason to do so. I was depressed, I was done with life, but I could never find an actual reason, something worth it's salt for such a strong action. That's what kept me from every attempting. I couldn't find the reasoning behind it and so here I am.

    The above I suppose is an example of "A permanent solution to a temporary problem". The need for a logical reason to do so kept me from doing it. I suppose I wasn't that bad off if I could still think rationally, though to even think about it to begin without a reason is rather irrational.

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    Good work everyone.

    Thinking about the lifespan has its advantages. Divorcing oneself from much of what people associate with normal living, what is endorsed, promoted, expected, to be that little kid fighting waves all afternoon, taking swipes at nothing, hollering, being pummeled into the muddy sand only to stand up, impassioned with focus, your balance between stoicism and swagger, just to get after those goddamn waves again. Goddamn fucking mother nature. Set the fucking example, even if you're aware that nothing's worth the effort.

    I'll remember you when our planet's a carved out skull and the fam's hang bangin it up near the north pole.

    thinking of you

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