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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Whether or not the pagan patheon exists or shares the existence of others, I dont believe so but could be proven wrong, they are less perfect that either Yaweh or Jesus so if someone wants to follow imperfection then I guess that's their choice but I'll exercise my own and follow Yah and JC.
    Perhaps Gods can change over time as well just like people. Perhaps Yahweh was a cruel tribal diety of the edomites with ashtoreh as a consort.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#section_1

    It's interesting how yahweh evolved once more

    After babylonian captivity influenced rabbinical tradition

    It is also interesting how christ has so many overlaps with bel-marduk

    http://www.bobkwebsite.com/belmythvjesusmyth.html

    It is interesting how Mithra and Jesus share similarities as well.

    Perhaps we are evolving a world narrative where one day ganesh slayed tiamat releasing the big bang from her corpse ^^
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Perhaps Gods can change over time as well just like people. Perhaps Yahweh was a cruel tribal diety of the edomites with ashtoreh as a consort.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#section_1

    It's interesting how yahweh evolved once more

    After babylonian captivity influenced rabbinical tradition

    It is also interesting how christ has so many overlaps with bel-marduk

    http://www.bobkwebsite.com/belmythvjesusmyth.html

    It is interesting how Mithra and Jesus share similarities as well.

    Perhaps we are evolving a world narrative where one day ganesh slayed tiamat releasing the big bang from her corpse ^^
    Of course God died in the 19th century of a broken heart over His rejection by the Enlightenment. Of course we miss Him, as He held such a special place for us, and we held a special place for Him as we were made in His image, but to find we are made in the image of apes was too much for Him to take, and he turned his face to the wall and gave up the ghost. R.I.P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    By contrast Islam has not been tamed by the Enlightenment. And so Islam does not accept the separation of Mosque and State and has a holy duty to impose Sharia on the world. And Islam does not accept the value of evidence and reason and rejects science in favour of the Koran. And rather than acepting liberal democracy, the holy book of Islam teaches violent jihad and martrydom.
    This is a critical point. Islam is ~600 years younger than Christianity. 600 years ago, Christianity was undergoing the Inquisition. It remains to be seen whether Islam will experience its own enlightenment, sparked by the thoughts of progressive, modern Muslims who risk death threats to bring their faith out of its dark ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Perhaps Gods can change over time as well just like people. Perhaps Yahweh was a cruel tribal diety of the edomites with ashtoreh as a consort.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#section_1

    It's interesting how yahweh evolved once more

    After babylonian captivity influenced rabbinical tradition

    It is also interesting how christ has so many overlaps with bel-marduk

    http://www.bobkwebsite.com/belmythvjesusmyth.html

    It is interesting how Mithra and Jesus share similarities as well.

    Perhaps we are evolving a world narrative where one day ganesh slayed tiamat releasing the big bang from her corpse ^^
    It is the human understanding of God that has evolved over time, and in different ways in different places and cultures. These overlaps and similarities, though, suggest that the various images, aspects, and interpretations of the divine are really all pointing at the same thing. The idea of the big bang originating from the death of a dragon is very similar to the creation myth of my own spiritual path.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    @Coriolis for me all perception is a realtime evolving matrix of sensation so I feel you. I was just cresting a spiritual remix of panglobal creation stories. Namaste I respect your path brother
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    If you don't beleive in Yahweh he will throw your spiritual body into a colossal nuclear furnace aboard his space station of doom and death.

    idk random just a theory

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    We only create reality insofar as we choose to believe. Ie. Reality makes an impression on us, and we choose how we interpret and make sense of it. In this way, we are in a relationship with it. We believe in things, but some do not believe in the potential of belief itself. Analysis is only as useful for cultivating an understanding of the things we want to believe as much as we do not understand the things we want to believe. All concepts are understood a priori after we choose to believe in them. However, not all concepts are logical, therefore, those are composed of at least a lesser concept and an element of pure experience. To believe in an illogical concept is to submit to reality because it necessitates that we admit to ourselves that we do not comprehend, and yet we believe. I believe God is that reality, and is impenetrable precisely because God doesn't make sense. Gregory of Nyssa coins his mystical teaching of "epektasis" by interpreting Moses's ascent of Mt. Sinai as an enjoyment of God's presence, oddly, in the search for God. In this search, we may determine what we want from life in between the things we need and already have if we choose to believe in them. Through Christ, we may accept death (which is a necessary part of life) - more importantly, the death of our corporeal existence. Paradoxically, it is Christ's corporeal nature that allows us to identify and personify him in order to reflect upon our relationship with God, and our volatile nature. At the end of the day, belief requires symbols, and everyone requires a hero believe in. The need is pervasive; we may see it in the tale of Heracles, Paul Atreides, and even Neo from The Matrix. These examples of iconic representations are of how people tend to want to live. I see no reason why anyone shouldn't believe in a real man, conscious of God in a way we can scarcely attain, to fulfill a significance that doesn't exclude a naturalistic observation of the world, and doesn't exclude a passion for desires that drive us.

    ps- please excuse my hive-mind speak. It's meant in reference to likeminded people and I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    You know, I've never appreciated the whole suffering aesthetic. I can find nothing upliftng in it, and I think this is perhaps why I've never 'felt' faith. It reminds me of the first time I saw the film Au Hasard Balthazaar. I was informed that the ending was redemptive, but I felt like it only portrayed sorrow and helplessness. That's kind of how I feel about the story of Jesus in general. Like it's a celebration of helplessness.
    It's not a story of helplessness. It's a story of heroism in accepting fate. Why victimize Christ if He didn't victimize Himself? It's not like he played opposum on a stick.

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    03/23 06:06:58 EcK: lex
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    03/23 06:21:34 Nancynobullets: LEXXX *sacrifices a first born*
    03/23 06:21:53 Nancynobullets: We summon yooouuu
    03/23 06:29:07 Lexicon: I was sleeping!



    04/25 04:20:35 Patches: Don't listen to lex. She wants to birth a litter of kittens. She doesnt get to decide whats creepy

    02/16 23:49:38 ygolo: Lex is afk
    02/16 23:49:45 Cimarron: she's doing drugs with Jack

    03/05 19:27:41 Time: You can't make chat morbid. Lex does it naturally.

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    @Lexicon: Your pics remind me of a great song from the Broadway show "The Book of Mormon."

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_FT-0yS0Y"]"Man Up" from The Book of Mormon[/YOUTUBE]


    So interesting to me what a symbol Jesus has become, able to be swiped by various groups to represent the particular image of holiness/faith that they want to identify with. (I've seen this kind of masculinity touted recently in the more modernized conservative movements, by the Power Team, etc.)
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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