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    I do not believe in a universal moral system. Morality is derived from rationality, ergo all moral judgments must be rationally supported. Moral judgments however, differ from one another, from person to person. What one would consider necessity, may be dubbed mundane and trivial to another. To me morality is a very human concept, created by humans in order to preserve what each individual would claim as right and wrong.

    To put these in a more visual terms, take for example a simple mathematical equation. Without the instructions, (i.e. to expand, simplify, solve etc.) we cannot proceed. Such that morality would vary depending on what each person would consider efficient, based on a personal intrinsic desire. I believe that the only thing that we can be certain of is, Cogito Ergo Sum, I think therefore I am. Without certainty of what others believe in I can only profess relativism, or possibly nihilism if I feel fit.

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    [youtube=OtBBFBYFNqs]The Philosophy of Freedom[/youtube]
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    ideally, yes, i do believe a perfect morality exists.

    im not too sure on the human ability to access this morality though..

    even if such a morality doesn't exist, i think it's better to live with the assumption that it does.

    for if everything is relative, i can justify any action.

    and some actions i don't think are justifiable.

    a good example being...the killing of pygmy tribes in africa for "sport and good luck".

    lines must be drawn somewhere.

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    if logically there is one: no.

    if, considering the human species, human interactions etc, we should strive for an approximation to a common morality that allows us to live in peace with each other...yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univers...ights#Preamble

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    so like can i date my sisters girlfriend? (girlfriend is hotter)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    [youtube=OtBBFBYFNqs]The Philosophy of Freedom[/youtube]
    Everyone's hot on freedom until they get underpaid or some bastard takes liberties with their property, kinfolk or life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Everyone's hot on freedom until they get underpaid or some bastard takes liberties with their property, kinfolk or life.
    What does kinfolk mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    What does kinfolk mean?
    Your kin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Your kin.
    You're saying that freedom is bad if you are underpaid.

    Does that mean that you would prefer to be my slave if I paid you a lotof money?

    Or maybe it's someone else who is forced to pay. But it's not fair. If you are underpaid, taht's your problem, and there's no legitimacy to restict the freedom of someone else just to solve your selfish personal problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    You're saying that freedom is bad if you are underpaid.

    Does that mean that you would prefer to be my slave if I paid you a lotof money?

    Or maybe it's someone else who is forced to pay. But it's not fair. If you are underpaid, taht's your problem, and there's no legitimacy to restict the freedom of someone else just to solve your selfish personal problem.
    Its the decision that most people are content with presently, I dont mean tolerating taxation either, I mean being bought cheap in the market place and believing that the obscenely rich who year on year pay themselves more are entitled to every penny.

    The bankers and obscenely rich have no problem restricting the freedom of everyone else to solve their "selfish personal problems", hell, its the whole logic of the fortune five hundred, they didnt get there by altruism and benefice.

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