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Although Jesus was surrounded by institutional slavery He said not one word against it.

And although Jesus was surrounded by child, sexual abuse, he said not one word against it.

And although Jesus was surrounded by non-emancipated women, he said not one word against it.

And Jesus could not read and write. He believed the Earth was flat and the Sun went round the Earth. He had no idea the Earth was four and a half thousand million years old. He had no idea of natural selection acting for thousands of millions of years. And absolutely no idea that all life on Earth is part of the same DNA. He had no idea we are part of our galaxy, the Milky Way, consisting of as many as four hundred billion stars. And he had no idea there are hundreds of billions of galaxies in every direction we look, accelerating away from us. He had absolutely no idea of quantum mechanics or general relativity.

Jesus believed demons caused mental and physical illness. And he believed magic could cure illness.
 

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Replace "Jesus" with any other person born around his time or earlier, and they'd likely share 90% of those beliefs.
 

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Jesus...

Why was jesus a great porn star? He was hung like this *spreads arms wide*
 

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Heck, put any of us (Victor or whomever) back in that time, and we'd be pretty much in the same boat.
 

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Heck, put any of us (Victor or whomever) back in that time, and we'd be pretty much in the same boat.

This is true dear Jennifer. But it is unlikely either of us would become the Son or Daughter of God, and a God in our own right, worshipped by 32% of those presently alive. So no one would worship us today.

So why do we worship someone who is morally and intellectually inferior?
 

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doooooood he was just being humble......I mean, he could have even created an antimatter bomb (he knew the technology) to destroy everything....but he decided not to because that is not what a 2w3 INFJ so/sx Lawful Good is supposed to do.
 

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This is true dear Jennifer. But it is unlikely either of us would become the Son or Daughter of God, and a God in our own right, worshipped by 32% of those presently alive. So no one would worship us today.

So why do we worship someone who is morally and intellectually inferior?

Well, if he was who he claimed he was, he would have only hurt his main message (which was already pretty nuts-sounding) and credibility by going against the grain so much. I'll also point out that he didn't address social issues of ANY kind very much, even ones that would have benefited him (concerning the Roman rule, the future of the Jewish people)--just wasn't a very Fe kind of guy. His message was primarily about the Kingdom of God and its implications.
 

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Well, if he was who he claimed he was, he would have only hurt his main message (which was already pretty nuts-sounding) and credibility by going against the grain so much. I'll also point out that he didn't address social issues of ANY kind very much, even ones that would have benefited him (concerning the Roman rule, the future of the Jewish people)--just wasn't a very Fe kind of guy. His message was primarily about the Kingdom of God and its implications.

You mean He distracted attention from slavery, child rape and the enchattelment of women by drawing our attention to a non existent Kingdom.

I think magicians call this misdirection.

And He was a magician who worked miracles, so no doubt misdirection was a tool of trade.
 

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You're viewing this too literally victor. Was it a moral improvement AT THE TIME? It's like how eye for an eye > genocide.
 

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You mean He distracted attention from slavery, child rape and the enchattelment of women by drawing our attention to a non existent Kingdom.

I think magicians call this misdirection.

And He was a magician who worked miracles, so no doubt misdirection was a tool of trade.

I say it's nonexistent, and so do you. Christians don't. Try to see it from their perspective.
 

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I say it's nonexistent, and so do you. Christians don't. Try to see it from their perspective.

Please! I understand the christian perspective down to the last iota. Here I am offering a different perspective.

And the advantage of different perspectives is that it wakes us from the trance of one perspective.
 

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You're viewing this too literally victor. Was it a moral improvement AT THE TIME? It's like how eye for an eye > genocide.

Well, institutional slavey and child rape and enchattelment were not a moral improvement on anything. They were simply the status quo.

Anyway, how could anyone improve on child rape except by abolishing it? And how could anyone improve on slavery except by abolishing it?
 

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Clearly, Encyclopedia Brown was a better person. I learned more about treating people respectfully and without discrimination from those books than I ever did from the Bible.
 

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2000 years from now people will be laughing at the ignorance of whoever turns out to be our generations equivalent to Jesus.

Flawed as he may be, Jesus achieved things that almost all of us never have or will.

His divinity may be questionable, his greatness is certain.
 

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2000 years from now people will be laughing at the ignorance of whoever turns out to be our generations equivalent to Jesus.

Flawed as he may be, Jesus achieved things that almost all of us never have or will.

His divinity may be questionable, his greatness is certain.

C'mon, He couldn't even read and write. He was illiterate.
 

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What are you trying to achieve with this thread?
 

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What are you trying to achieve with this thread?

Victor's pointing out something along the lines of "from an atheist's perspective, Jesus isn't actually that great of a guy. But they actually worship him!" I'm trying to say "their values are different." And he's saying "well, they should try to see it from this perspective!"

(I think.)
 

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Victor's pointing out something along the lines of "from an atheist's perspective, Jesus isn't actually that great of a guy. But they actually worship him!" I'm trying to say "their values are different." And he's saying "well, they should try to see it from this perspective!"

(I think.)

I see what your pointing out, I appreciate your mediating.
However the OP seems to just come across more as insulting than anything, not because of the contrast between perspective but because of the presumptions which are being made and claims to "understanding the christian perspective" just makes the message being sent here appear flawed.

I wouldn't call myself a christian however I find these atheist rantings distasteful and ignorant as much as a religious nut job expressing the same level of narrow mindedness. Opposite perspectives, but equally as ignorant as each other.
Topics such as religion should be brought up in a more delicate manner if you wish to convey a fresh perspective. This just seems like the OP has other self serving motives.
 

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This is true dear Jennifer. But it is unlikely either of us would become the Son or Daughter of God, and a God in our own right, worshipped by 32% of those presently alive. So no one would worship us today.

So why do we worship someone who is morally and intellectually inferior?

You're a smart guy. I think you're capable of examining both sides rather than consistently just picking the most convenient. What case(s) have you run into in your examination of Christianity that would counter such an argument that you've made? What are your perceived flaws of its position? I find it boring to rehash the most basic arguments with an Ne secondary who won't even properly canvass and critique level 1 arguments regarding the faith, as it indicates any energy invested in such a discussion on my part will be wasted.
 
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