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    Is something important because it is true or because of the implications or consequences of it being true?

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    I believe the implications and consequences are more important than the fact in itself. An individual who lies to impress will not be an issue with me if it does not directly effect significantly within life. I take thought to choosing to believe and go with the lie if the person is generally good spirited. Always fun to hear the stories about a person running through a jungle and tackling 10 alligators before a helicopter picks him up as he was about to bring down a tiger. Lies demeaning upon others or selfish to the manifest desires of the individual are a bit more troubling. Not pleasant with how it more directly influences rapport, choices and situations.

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    I see Truth as a 'primary substance' if you will, that which comes before everything else.

    The implication or consequences of Truth [or Untruth] are secondary attributes, and relative to certain circumstances.

    The truth is not relative to anything else. It stands alone. Therefore it is more important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Is something important because it is true or because of the implications or consequences of it being true?
    I think it's an interesting question. I'm actually writing something right now that turns on just this question. I think that my answer would be the former, but I think there is definitely room for a conversation about relative importance.
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    =AphroditeGoneAwry;1833495 It stands alone. .
    pff look at you. eating that apple. think you're all smart. all truth relies on other realities/truths to make it true so it doesnt stand alone HA



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    I believe the implications and consequences are more important than the fact in itself. An individual who lies to impress will not be an issue with me if it does not directly effect significantly within life. I take thought to choosing to believe and go with the lie if the person is generally good spirited. Always fun to hear the stories about a person running through a jungle and tackling 10 alligators before a helicopter picks him up as he was about to bring down a tiger. Lies demeaning upon others or selfish to the manifest desires of the individual are a bit more troubling. Not pleasant with how it more directly influences rapport, choices and situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Is something important because it is true or because of the implications or consequences of it being true?
    Depends. Are you a Kantian?

    My personal answer would be that I see a certain beauty (and thus value) in truth itself and would favor candor and honesty for reasons that go beyond the immediate impact: Society is based on cooperation. Cooperation requires an exchange of information and while we should always keep in the back of our mind that there is a chance the other person lies to us or unknowingly gives us false information, trust in the information we receive from others is at the very basis of that society and human interaction in general. Every lie is a little attack on the foundation of society and therefor, by extension, on humanity as a whole.

    That being said, this does not justify being a jackass, for the same reasons I just mentioned - social cohesion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Is something important because it is true or because of the implications or consequences of it being true?
    yes

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    Depends on the subject matter. If we're concerning ourselves with morals then truth is irreverent and the consequences are what most would concern themselves with. Building a bridge on the other hand requires the most accurate description of reality as possible.

    Should be said I prefer to move forward.

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    How often is there only one truth? Most often people believe in their perceptions of truth.

    But factual, indisputable truth is beyond precious and beautiful, no matter how harsh. It's the holy grail of knowledge seekers.

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