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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    This is basically what you're describing, regarding slavery being abolished due to movements such as the Enlightenment.
    The Enlightenment of the 17th and 18th centuries was more than just a movement. The Enlightenment replaced blind belief with evidence and reason.

    The Enlightenment gave us science and technology, modern medicine, modern economics, liberal democracy, and abolished institutional slavery, emancipated women and prosecuted child sexual abusers.

    So Christianity has been informed by Ancient Greek philosophy and the the Enlightenment, whereas, by comparison, Islam has not been influenced by Ancient Greek philosophy or the Enlightenment.

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    Regardless, it's still not about Christianity, Christianity used "blind belief" to maintain control; which all you're showing is that it is another human enterprise, so what if those other enterprises did something better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Regardless, it's still not about Christianity, Christianity used "blind belief" to maintain control; which all you're showing is that it is another human enterprise, so what if those other enterprises did something better?
    Christianity is a failure philosophically and also a failure morally. Why is this?

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    Because it's a human system (one that capitalized on a genuine need, and then people got in to manipulate it for their own power). Again, what's the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Because it's a human system (one that capitalized on a genuine need, and then people got in to manipulate it for their own power). Again, what's the point?
    Christianity is based on blood sacrifice, and indeed on the blood sacrifice of the Son by the Father. So Christianity is based on child sacrifice.

    This is understandable as we have four developmental modes of child rearing -

    The first was child sacrifice - producing the paranoid personality.

    The next improvement was the abusive form of child rearing - producing the blaming personality.

    And the next improvement was the authoritarian form of child rearing - producing the controlling personality.

    And our last improvement is the helping form of child rearing, where we help our child reach their life goals - producing the empathic and creative personality.

    So Christianity is important to remind us where we came from, namely from child sacrifice.

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    I'm sorry, but that is totally contorted reasoning. The Christ who was actually sacrificed was fully grown (30's), and the Father-Son relationship in the Godhead is not the same as a human father and "child", so the analogies do not fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    I'm sorry, but that is totally contorted reasoning. The Christ who was actually sacrificed was fully grown (30's), and the Father-Son relationship in the Godhead is not the same as a human father and "child", so the analogies do not fit.
    C'mon, Jesus is known far and wide as the Son of God, just as christians are known as the Children of God.

    So the relationship of Jesus to God the Father was filial, as is all christians.

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    It's still not the same as the sort of "child sacrifice" you're talking about, and you know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    It's still not the same as the sort of "child sacrifice" you're talking about, and you know it.
    That's true, for here were are entering the realm of the mytho-poetic where we speak in metaphor.

    But ever since I read, "The History of Childhood", by Lloyd deMause I recognised how child sacifice had been imprinted on the psyche of homo sapiens for 200,000 years, and how child sacrifice released us from our fears. So no wonder we formed a religion with a theology that holds the sacrifice of the Son as its central redeeming image.

    Child sacrifice is part of our collective unconscious, that we keep repeating and repeating every day in the Mass, in the vain hope that one day we will wake from our nightmare.

    The nightmare of child sacrifice.

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    The concept then is obviously something that looms deeply in the collective unconscious. That doesn't necessarily mean that men just made up the concept of Christ based on that. Perhaps the collective unconscious may have been part of the means of revelation. The problem of sin and need of redemption was serious enough to be keyed into something that would parallel sacrifice of a child. That was the whole point. It was about Love, and yet done without sacrificing an actual child.
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