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    From my understanding being "childlike" doesn't necessarily mean you're enveloped in illusion, but see the world in a non-convoluted manner. So I guess being childlike may appear 'cloying' if others can't understand why you seem so damn happy all the time.

    Also, intelligent design may be possible still. For all we know our habit of pointing out our flaws, then working on them, may cause slight alterations in our DNA that affects our descendants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The world appears to be intelligently designed. In fact if we didn't know we came about by non random natural selection, intelligent design would be the explanation of choice.

    In other words, intelligent design is an intuitive, natural response to the natural world we see around and in us. But we now know intelligent design is an illusion.

    And in the same way mbti provides us with the illusion of a personality test, in the same way astrology provides us with the illusion that our life is influenced by the position of the stars.

    But we hang onto our illusions in the same way we hang on to our childhood. And of course it is in the interests of corporations and religions that we remain childlike and don't question the power structures or speak truth to power.

    So when does being childlike cease being charming and become cloying?
    I've never understood why Victor posts using the royal "we" like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I've never understood why Victor posts using the royal "we" like that.
    Dear Lark, the printing press, invented in 1440, gave us the 'I'; and the electric telegraph, invented in 1840, gave us the 'we'.

    So rather than using the royal 'we' I use the electronic 'we'.

    And dear Lark being a highly literate individual, the individual 'I' seems natural to you. But just as the Islamists are taking us back to the 7th century, you dear Lark, with the best intentions in the world, are taking us back to 1440.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rel View Post
    Also, intelligent design may be possible still.
    Just because this site came about by intelligent design doesn't mean the universe came about by intelligent design, anymore than because you had a father, the universe has a father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    But who is really the victim?
    In the West we know who the victims are. For in 1833 we abolished institutional slavery for the first time in history. And in the beginning of the 20th century women gained their emancipation for the first time in history in Australia and New Zealand. And in the last decade of the 20th century, for the first time in history, we started to prosecute child sexual abuse.

    So in the West we know who the victims are. They are slaves, women and children.

    Just the other day we had our first conviction of the crime of slavery in Canberra. A migrant from the East, refusing to subscribe to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948, kept a slave in Canberra. So we prosecuted her and now she is in jail. And we know who the victim was. It was the slave.

    But to ask the faux naive question, "But who is really the victim?", is a question asked by anomie, and revictimises the victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Just because this site came about by intelligent design doesn't mean the universe came about by intelligent design, anymore than because you had a father, the universe has a father.

    Well, not in within the classical sense, no, but I'm not talking about the reproductive process itself. I mean specifically the previous generation's actions, what they learn, their environment (nurture) affecting the nature (DNA) of the future generation; not a huge a mount, but enough to change how much a specific gene is expressed. Basically the self-replicating machine that tries to improve on itself with each iteration.

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    Define childlike in a way that can be applied to every single other person's view of what childlike is.

    Some might say carefree and imaginative, others might say ignorant and lacking in complexity.

    There are hundreds of others to go with this, so to answer your question I must first get some kind of definitive definition of childlike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Finally. A post in this thread that is visible.
    That implies you see the 'invisible' ones as well...
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    Using what could at best be described as a thumbnail sketch as an all encompassing worldview is... Well, ridiculous.

    I do find it odd when someone thinks/feels/senses/intuits that they shouldn't act in a particular way because it wouldn't be according to type.

    And then the people who you just know are acting a particular way so that they can seem to be according to type. Fakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    That implies you see the 'invisible' ones as well...
    I see the placeholders.
    And sometimes I see the post(s) anyway, because I'm too curious for my own good.
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