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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Josef Mengele had a high IQ.
    A high IQ is higher than 100 and lower than 140. While the gifted are higher than 140.

    So on sheer statistical grounds I would doubt Josef was gifted.

    And even if Josef were gifted, one counter example doesn't invalidate a general principal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    With a high IQ comes a high moral IQ.

    The corrollary is that those with a normal IQ have a normal moral IQ.

    This is quite maddening as we all depend on a moral framework to relate to one another.

    So often it is not that someone is bad or that they have a different moral framework, no, rather it is that they are morally normal.
    Are you morally superior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    A high IQ is higher than 100 and lower than 140. While the gifted are higher than 140.

    So on sheer statistical grounds I would doubt Josef was gifted.

    And even if Josef were gifted, one counter example doesn't invalidate a general principal.
    My point is that he was able to become a doctor, one assumes by surpassing an objective standard, yet was also morally repugnant.
    History is repleat with intelligent but dastardly people. so it is possible to be intelligent and moral corrupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    My point is that he was [...] morally repugnant.
    According to your average standard of morality.

    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    so it is possible to be intelligent and moral corrupt.
    That may be why Victor said that "one counter example doesn't invalidate a general principal".

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    My point is that he was able to become a doctor, one assumes by surpassing an objective standard, yet was also morally repugnant.
    History is repleat with intelligent but dastardly people. so it is possible to be intelligent and moral corrupt.
    I am not talking about the intelligent. I am talking about the gifted, those with an independently measured IQ above 140. They are very rare and morally different.

    You may acccess some of the research on - http://www.sengifted.org/archives/ar...ion-of-society

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Are you morally superior?
    The other day I began a conversation in the Aldi store about sleeping bags, and the more I talked and listened the more surprised I became, for I was talking to a buddhist master from Nepal. It was an absolutely delightful conversation but I soon realised I was talking to my master - a person who was morally and spiritually superior to me. My only wish is that I be more like him.

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    Victor gets buddah'd. I love being a member of TypoC!

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    Mh, I don't believe a fundamentally enlightened moral compass and the indepth comprehension of such things are necessarily linked to gifted people. Not exclusively, at least.

    There are many people with average--and below average-- IQ scores, who are remarkably insightful with regard to understanding basic human nature; forming a stable moral compass upon those insights. I suppose this is where concepts like EQ come into the equation.

    That said, there's so much we still don't understand about the brain. Any attempt to measure intellectual capacity [with such tools as specialized IQ exams] is limited in terms of dimension because of this fragmentary, everchanging understanding- which in turn can affect our overall perception or definition of what true ''intelligence'' even is, to begin with.. so I find conclusions like the OP to have far too many unanswered questions to consider accurate.
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