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    This thread is an awful piece of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    All this wrangling about proper methodology is irrelevant.
    This is perhaps the reason you are refusing to become more effective. It actually is extremely relevant.

    The fact My belief is:
    Note above.

    Here's another reason why you have no footing with anyone you're talking to. I can do a search and replace for any religion on the planet, and your words have no more "proof" than them except for "I believe it to be so."

    Sigurdson 3:18-24
    “He who believes in Thor is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of Odin."

    And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in Odin.”


    Odin cannot fail.

    If anyone is lost, it is because they neglected the one needful thing: to come to Thor and be saved.

    1 Fenris 1:18
    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of Odin.
    Anyone walking in here and saying the above has as much credibility with anyone else as you do right now, talking about your Judeo-Christian faith. You can "preach" as much as you want, and you sound no better than some guy insisting, "The sky is red!!" anytime someone else says, "The sky is blue!" In fact, it lessens people's interest in what you have to say, because you have no interest in what they think.

    It doesn't matter what you think is true, you are not conveying it in any way that people can find believable.

    IOW, it's a total methodology/communication problem.

    I think you will find that life-style evangelism will be far more effective in today's culture than shouting people down and digging yourself in for a battle and just shoving people around with your Bible verses. The Bible is not seen as factually correct by many nowadays; its veracity is in question. And CHristians throughout the centuries have never agreed on how to interpret much of it, to the point of going to war with each other.

    If you want people to accept your beliefs about God, then you need to be interacting with them in a way that makes them think, "Wow, what does that guy have that I don't have? I want to have that. He's got something I need."

    Right now, your beliefs don't seem to be making any difference that would attract people's interest; in fact since they're being used as a club, you are LESS someone for people to want to emulate and be like. Note how most people have lost interest. However you are presenting God, it's not making you seem any different than anyone else around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    you have no interest in what they think.
    You are correct.

    I have no interest in anyone's opinion at all, especially when it conflicts with the Word of God.

    I am only interested in the Truth. And God alone is the source of Truth.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    you are not conveying it in any way that people can find believable.
    Correct again.

    Human beings are dead in trespasses and sin, and can not believe the Gospel unless they are given faith by God.

    John 6:44
    No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;



    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    The Bible is not seen as factually correct by many nowadays; its veracity is in question. And CHristians throughout the centuries have never agreed on how to interpret much of it, to the point of going to war with each other.
    True. But that's irrelevant.

    The Scriptures are the Word of God, whether or not they are believed or understood properly.

    God commands and requires all to believe in Jesus Christ. It's not a suggestion. And failure to obey this command will result in your just condemnation.

    Acts 17:30-31
    Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”


    Again, faith is a gift of God. One must be given faith.

    And THIS is the Good News:
    If you seek it from God, it will be given to you.

    Matthew 7:7-11
    “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    All this wrangling about proper methodology is irrelevant.
    lol.. You are officially a troll. You have fellow believers here now trying to help, and you call it irrelevant. This has nothing to do with God, anyone's "sin", or even your own beliefs.

    I think you're just here to make religion look stupid, by playing the most closeminded "character" imaginable. I remember when you came here at first and self typed ENTP. Makes sense. This is all a social experiment, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    You are correct.

    I have no interest in anyone's opinion at all, especially when it conflicts with the Word of God.

    I am only interested in the Truth. And God alone is the source of Truth.
    I don't think you really understand what I'm saying and how important it is.

    You can believe all that about God, but it doesn't excuse you from relating to human beings as human beings, like Jesus did.

    If you miss this lesson, God is not going to say, "Well done, good and faithful servant," when you go to meet in him at the end of days. He's going to say you were so fixated on the letter of the law that you totally missed the point, and potentially boot you.

    The Scriptures are the Word of God, whether or not they are believed or understood properly.
    Do you realize you don't even know whether or not YOU understand them properly?

    God commands and requires all to believe in Jesus Christ. It's not a suggestion. And failure to obey this command will result in your just condemnation.
    How do you know that your interpretation of God is correct?
    Or that your interpretation of Scripture is accurate?

    You are really failing to "test all the spirits" here.

    Anyway, I won't waste anymore of your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    lol.. You are officially a troll. You have fellow believers here now trying to help, and you call it irrelevant. This has nothing to do God, anyone's "sin", or even your own beliefs.

    I think you're just here to make religion look stupid, by playing the most closeminded "character" imaginable. I remember when you came here at first and self typed ENTP. Makes sense. This is all a social experiment, isn't it?
    I honestly hope it is.
    If it's not, it's sad.

    Unfortunately, I have talked to people like this before who were sincere in beliefs like this, whether or not Spurgeon is.
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    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    doesn't the bible also mention that it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is to get into heaven? yet the silly christians still try.
    The bible says this, although there was an arch way referred to at the time as the eye of the needle, a camel could go through it but not if it was loaded up with wears, belongings and merchandise.

    So its possible that this is an observation that the things you own can end up owning you. In which case it is as practical as the advice dispensed by the TV shows which take a chronic hoarder, clear out their house, sell their stuff, use the profits to fix up the house and tell them to invite their friends over and spend more time socialising instead of accumulating waste.

    Another way of puting it is to say that there's no pockets in a shroud and or that there are two modes of existence, having and being and that being will let you enjoy the gift which is life and the world whereas the other will obstruct that. It would be possible to have great wealth or possessions if you have perspective, he did not afterall say that riches condemn the rich only that they will make it difficult for the rich. Or as Notorious BIG put it "Mo Money, Mo Problems".

    A lot of the "prosperity gospel" or calvinism's work ethics are based upon the revival of a heresy which Jesus hated which suggested that the rich were favoured by God and it was in evidence from the lives of ease they led, Jesus wasnt down with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    lol.. You are officially a troll. You have fellow believers here now trying to help, and you call it irrelevant. This has nothing to do with God, anyone's "sin", or even your own beliefs.

    I think you're just here to make religion look stupid, by playing the most closeminded "character" imaginable. I remember when you came here at first and self typed ENTP. Makes sense. This is all a social experiment, isn't it?
    This thread is not a social experiment.

    Though it does indeed reveal a great deal about human depravity, and the spiritual blindness of unregenerate souls, confirming the truth of Scripture with imperical evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Matthew 19

    24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."
    25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"
    26 But Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
    And yet in the same book Mathew relates the only story in which Jesus explicitly describes the salvation and damnation of those judged by God and it is not belief which he considers important but deeds, those deeds are acts of generosity, charity, altruism, he even describes how those caught out plead that they did not know what they were doing and did not recognise God/he himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    'Saved'? No one will be saved! Only two humans will survive. The cowardly dead will go to Helheim, the evil dead to Niflheim. The courageous will go to Valhalla and battle with Odin, Thor and the other Æsir against the fire giants of Muspelheim at the time of Ragnarok!
    Really? I thought it was ice giants

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