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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    False Christianity is very prevalent, but relatively few have actually heard the Gospel.
    I agree, and I think if you think it's true, then you SHOULD be doing everything you can to share this joy with us. Which is what you're doing. I just don't know if that OP is the best way to do it, though. I doubt any unbelievers are unbelievers because they don't understand the gospel. Though I agree that a lot of them probably don't, I don't think they would be if they did understand it.

    Edit: Also: I think evangelism isn't about telling others where they're wrong and how they're wrong, because you'll always be every bit as wrong as they are, even after believing. It's about being utterly stripped of your attempt to sustain your ego because you realize you're utterly worthless, and then it's about realizing how mind blowing God's grace is, and it's an overflow of joy and an enthusiasm to act out of thanks for God and share your joy with other people which results from this process. You shouldn't be evangelizing because you realize how ignorant people are around you and you want to enlighten them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    By bringing me under the hearing of the Gospel, convicting me of my utterly sinful nature and total inability to earn acceptance with God on my own merit, giving me a new heart which loves God and the things of God, and giving me total assurance of salvation through the person and finished work of Jesus Christ, my Substitute.

    I can't even begin to describe the joy and peace He has given me.

    That's the short answer, but there's so much more to it than that. I've been a Christian for over 20 years, and it has been a journey filled with trials, joys, and sorrows--and I'm deeply grateful to my God for all that he's done.

    I want the world to know how great my Savior is, and they won't know unless the Word is preached to them.
    How are you sinful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    How are you sinful?
    In every way, and constantly.

    Because Adam fell, God ordained that all humankind would inherit his sinful nature. Consequently, it is natural for me to sin.

    Furthermore, anything short of perfect faith and obedience to God is sin, so everything I do is sin--even my best thoughts, words, and deeds.

    Then there are the specific sins I have committed at times, and specific sins I struggle with and frequently commit. (I won't confess them to you, but suffice it to say, they run the gamut)

    There are past sins and present sins and sins I will commit in the future.

    In short, I AM sin, and can do nothing BUT sin.

    Therefore, my only hope for acceptance with a holy God is the vicarious substitutionary atonement of the perfectly faithful and obedient Son of God, Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    FYP.

    It's funny how I could spend close to 40 years in the church, many of them as a worship musician/leader, and yet I can still find a post like the OP offensive. What do you hope to gain by it?
    What in the O.P. is offensive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    What in the O.P. is offensive?
    Your attitude.
    There is no humility in how you position yourself to others.

    1 Cor 13 is probably a good place to start in terms of social relations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Because Adam fell, God ordained that all humankind would inherit his sinful nature. Consequently, it is natural for me to sin.
    This is stupid. I could understand sin being some kind of separation from God; not seeing truth because it is shrouded by the false images of natural world, which would lead a person to seek truth or happiness or whatever in the changing and the many things of the observable world, as opposed to the eternal and undivided being of God, whose word may or may not be presented to us in the Bible.
    But why would God ordain that people should be sinful and then send his only son to be tortured to death to atone for that?
    Is it because he works in mysterious ways?

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    Even disregarding the doctrine behind evangelism and just taking a utilitarian standpoint, I think what you're doing isn't the best way of evangelizing. Maybe some people have a better understanding of Christianity, but it's not any more convincing to them than it was before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    This is stupid. I could understand sin being some kind of separation from God; not seeing truth because it is shrouded by the false images of natural world, which would lead a person to seek truth or happiness or whatever in the changing and the many things of the observable world, as opposed to the eternal and undivided being of God, whose word may or may not be presented to us in the Bible.
    But why would God ordain that people should be sinful and then send his only son to be tortured to death to atone for that?
    Is it because he works in mysterious ways?
    Exactly.

    The only reason it would be important is if you're trying to maintain the validity of biblical literalism and the centrality of a certain years old literalist interpretation.

    Its completely ridiculous. Born of attacks on authority and serious unconscious doubts, even disbelief, resulting in overcompensation, particularly about the sources of that belief, ie scriptures.

    This is why I think that the Jews actually know Jesus better than most of the European traditions, at least those which post-date Erasmus, its also their tradition which Jesus came from and he was pretty orthodox within that tradition too. It only makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Dude, I can relate to the content of the OP in and of itself, but within the context of this forum it's the equivalent of holding up a John 3:16 poster at a ball game.
    There's a guy who ran onto race courses and disrupted races in the UK doing that, the police have his picture now and before big events if they see him they just tackle him and escort him away or to custody, he sees this as persecution for "the word" and all that but there's real evidence which suggests he wants to get killed proclaiming that same word, it seems pretty narcissistic to me.

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    Despite how the comments are worded, I don't think they're mocking God as much as the attitudes of some of the people talking for Him.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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