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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Or will you [...] seek his mercy?
    'He' can seek my mercy and kiss my ass. Twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Yes, these are the core concepts of Christianity.
    And it's debatable that most people here are familiar with them.
    And it's a fact that most people reject them.
    And no, they don't only apply to people who are "Into That Sort of Thing."
    They apply to everyone here, I believe.
    FYP.

    It's funny how I could spend close to 40 years in the church, many of them as a worship musician/leader, and yet I can still find a post like the OP offensive. What do you hope to gain by it?
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    This thread testifies to your delusion, your psychological need for "redemption" from an external source (likely caused by your having previously lived a life not much worth mentioning), and, having found that source, your desperate (and unrecognized [by you]) need to exert your will over others by trying to force them to seek "redemption" from the same external source.
    Your controversy is with God, not with me.

    And "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." (Hebrews 10:31)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    'He' can seek my mercy and kiss my ass. Twice.
    Unless you repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, you will answer for that statement at the Final Judgement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Yes, these are the core concepts of Christianity.

    And it's debatable that most people here are familiar with them.

    And it's a fact that most people reject them.

    And no, they don't only apply to people who are "Into That Sort of Thing."

    They apply to everyone here.
    How about these:

    ''When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.'' (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Deuteronomy 22:28-29

    ''Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.'' (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

    ''Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother...''
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    Ohh, man. I learned two things from being raised as a Jehovah's Witness. The first is that the Bible can be interpreted to say about anything. And the second is that nobody has ever convinced anybody of anything by quoting scriptures if they didn't believe them in the first place. In my experience, all conversions happened because the people were lonely, needed a support structure, suffered loss, or were vulnerable in other ways. This must be what is called the Holy Spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Unless you repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, you will answer for that statement at the Final Judgement.
    Wrong, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    FYP.

    It's funny how I could spend close to 40 years in the church, many of them as a worship musician/leader, and yet I can still find a post like the OP offensive. What do you hope to gain by it?
    It's a declaration of truth.

    I don't gain anything by posting it.

    However, I gain everything by believing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    FYP.

    It's funny how I could spend close to 40 years in the church, many of them as a worship musician/leader, and yet I can still find a post like the OP offensive.
    I don't find it offensive so much as confusing why he approaches the subject this way. He has no concept of how forums work. Forums revolve around discussions. I have nothing against his zeal, but why not phrase things that garner discussion and debate and demonstrate and defend his reasoning? Christians have an approach like this ("Apologetics"). Even his own avatar, Charles Spurgeon, engaged people in this way, and wrote tons of books in the apologetic style. He didn't just write bible quotes and left it at that. He was one of the most popular preachers of his era, and I don't think he accomplished that by barking from the hilltops, condemning complete strangers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    Fixed your title there.

    And, yeah, this stuff is kind of the core concepts of Christianity. I think most of us are familiar with it, Christian or no. Which just makes me ask what the direction this thread is supposed to go in.
    Its not the core of Christianity as I understand and love it, this is a lot of obscurist, protestant theology.

    An exercise in lousy flawed logic which itself could only have been borne from something like solo scripture, itself a minor historical footnote of a struggle arising from the innovative novelty of popular publishing.

    All of that supposition about God's substitutional justification is an exercise in gross anthropomorphism. Human, all too human is that deity.

    The ludicrousness of election, predestination and a blood sacrifice for sin which hasnt even happened yet has been well satirised by James Hogg in Confessions Of A Justified Sinner.

    I swear the Jews and Rabbis understand Jesus better than most modern day or reformation founded Christians.

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