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    Default Do you need or do you have a frame of reference?

    Do you need or do you have a frame of reference?

    I've read about how religion and ideology can be typified as frames of reference, they provide an object of devotion, ie God, community, leaders, homeland, and a code of ethics as a guideline to behaviour and choices.

    By that measure or description do you think you have a frame of reference? Or do you think you need one?

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    I am my frame of reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I am my frame of reference.
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    The earth is the closest thing I have to an external frame of reference. I measure time with respect to its seasons, speed with respect to its motion, and distances with respect to its surface. To some extent, I measure good by what cares for the earth and keeps it healthy, functional and beautiful for all who depend on it.
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    I prefer to take in a whole boatload of frames of references, then strive to come up with a unified, all-encompassing whole. I'm not devoted to any of them; it'd be a lie to say that I'm not affected by societal expectations, but I do try to dig into what it's really about, which means continually chewing and spitting out different worldviews.

    I think that the scientific method is the best method that we have to determine the fundamental truths of our world, though it's not without its limitations. One place where it's not so limited, however, is course-correction in the face of the discovery of new evidence or of new ways of looking at evidence--which is important as the zeitgeist changes. I may or may not, therefore, be said to use it as a frame of reference.

    One thing I'm interested in, for example, is how our innate neurology has driven our moral sentiments, which we have then codified into standards and laws that have certain cultural and specific differences but many general aspects in common. These core 'truths' are as close to an external moral frame of reference that I can come up with, and they're very nebulous; so it's a lifelong search, but an important one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    The earth is the closest thing I have to an external frame of reference. I measure time with respect to its seasons, speed with respect to its motion, and distances with respect to its surface.
    Yep, that.

    Regarding behavior and choices, the general perception of what is considered "normal," as defined by the people that I like, is my external reference.

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    Whatever is fun, doesn't kill me, and doesn't attract too much attention. I'm a little sketchy on the second one, especially with health. Not all things that kill you are immediate. And it's hard juggling 1 and 3 sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    I prefer to take in a whole boatload of frames of references, then strive to come up with a unified, all-encompassing whole. I'm not devoted to any of them; it'd be a lie to say that I'm not affected by societal expectations, but I do try to dig into what it's really about, which means continually chewing and spitting out different worldviews.

    I think that the scientific method is the best method that we have to determine the fundamental truths of our world, though it's not without its limitations. One place where it's not so limited, however, is course-correction in the face of the discovery of new evidence or of new ways of looking at evidence--which is important as the zeitgeist changes. I may or may not, therefore, be said to use it as a frame of reference.

    One thing I'm interested in, for example, is how our innate neurology has driven our moral sentiments, which we have then codified into standards and laws that have certain cultural and specific differences but many general aspects in common. These core 'truths' are as close to an external moral frame of reference that I can come up with, and they're very nebulous; so it's a lifelong search, but an important one.
    I agree. We have the forms of morality or standard of truths that is relative to some given culture, but the universal aspects become absolutes when these differences are acknowledged to exist. Every culture has some level of ethnocentric view, and I think as individuals we defend and live by our own truths and laws in order to readily be able to adopt a new(better) one. Of course, this isn't always the case, but I'd like to think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Socks View Post
    I agree. We have the forms of morality or standard of truths that is relative to some given culture, but the universal aspects become absolutes when these differences are acknowledged to exist. Every culture has some level of ethnocentric view, and I think as individuals we defend and live by our own truths and laws in order to readily be able to adopt a new(better) one. Of course, this isn't always the case, but I'd like to think so.
    How can they be absolutes, if they are different?

    Don't mean to nitpick, just trying to understand.

    I think of absolutism as One Way.
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    Thank you for pointing that out

    I should clarify. I use (absolute)s to encompass for what is potentially true.

    It may also be in my error to apply it so to ideas, so perhaps implicational rather than absolutes.
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