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    Default Human Needs: Creativity

    Carrying on my thinking about Erich Fromm's typology and outline of human needs the next one is creativity, Fromm saw the productive, creative individual as the healthy one, in that sense he saw man as a frustrated producer rather than a frustrated consumer and was in congruence with Marx and some of the other romantic critics of classical economics.

    2. Creativity

    Fromm believes that we all desire to overcome, to transcend, another fact of our being: Our sense of being passive creatures. We want to be creators. There are many ways to be creative: We give birth, we plant seeds, we make pots, we paint pictures, we write books, we love each other. Creativity is, in fact, an expression of love

    Unfortunately, some don't find an avenue for creativity. Frustrated, they attempt to transcend their passivity by becoming destroyers instead. Destroying puts me "above" the things -- or people -- I destroy. It makes me feel powerful. We can hate as well as love. But in the end, it fails to bring us that sense of transcendence we need.
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    I find this one interesting because a lot of the creative drives at present I see invested in a sort of innovation which isnt stand alone innovation but an innovation which aims to destroy the legacies of the past.

    Its not something I think is a good thing, sure there are aspects of tradition which fresh insights render questionable but I think there are also positive legacies which are dispensed with, sort of like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    Although I wonder if its possible to be creative in a manner which is in no way destructive or if there's just conflict like that and its necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I find this one interesting because a lot of the creative drives at present I see invested in a sort of innovation which isnt stand alone innovation but an innovation which aims to destroy the legacies of the past.
    Which?
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    I don't think creative types are destroying the past at all or attempting to. It's just that the needs of the world have changed because circumstances have changed. They're just responding to those basic needs because they aren't being met in the older system.

    On a different more creative note! I believe the universe is geared toward infinite complexity and the act of creation "makes the universe anew" helps it to interact in new never before seen ways. To me this is god. I think parts of god are hell to itself because there is a stanard deviation of 6+ magnitudes in the experiential matrix. This is when angels are incarnated to reintegrate god into itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Which?
    Sorry what?

    I said that innovation was destructive and I was looking for some sort of alternative which wasnt.

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    Which legacies of the past?

    Innovation that doesn't require resources that have already been used is one. Innovation that is so far removed from those legacies that they are inculcated from the change produced.

    Also, I just think of creativity as the most healthy response to stress (as opposed to anger, depression, or other coping mechanisms)

    Also, on an interesting note people living on less than $2/day who can afford to buy enough calories to maintain healthy weight will instead eat less and splurge on entertainment. I tjink this shows that the NEED for creativity is very real (which upon reading the post title is what I thought this thread was about)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Which legacies of the past?
    Innovation that doesn't require resources that have already been used is one. Innovation that is so far removed from those legacies that they are inculcated from the change produced.

    Also, I just think of creativity as the most healthy response to stress (as opposed to anger, depression, or other coping mechanisms)

    Also, on an interesting note people living on less than $2/day who can afford to buy enough calories to maintain healthy weight will instead eat less and splurge on entertainment. I tjink this shows that the NEED for creativity is very real (which upon reading the post title is what I thought this thread was about)
    Mainly memory.

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    Interesting! Reminds me of Proust. I don't know about that. Actually, I believe in a "probabilistic" past precisely because usable information sustained in memory tends to degrade over time as its structure collapses. I believe Maxwell's demon circumvention was done in 2006 with single photon cooling using conservation of angular momentum though

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Interesting! Reminds me of Proust. I don't know about that. Actually, I believe in a "probabilistic" past precisely because usable information sustained in memory tends to degrade over time as its structure collapses. I believe Maxwell's demon circumvention was done in 2006 with single photon cooling using conservation of angular momentum though
    To a certain extent I believe in that too but I think that if circumstances were correct then the learning of one generation could be transmitted to the next and permit them not to have to repeat so much of the experience of the previous generation themselves meaning that true progress could begin to happen rather than just a series of learning, forgetting and going over old ground.

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    Ah! I guess what worries me is that when we create structures to satisfy human needs some tend to be valued as more important than others. The people who disagree get marginalized. If there is nothing to degrade this we become trapped in stereotypes of of action which influences our thoughts and eventually our soul. If that were to happen it would make me very sad. I don't think it is about choosing between the two though but rather of discovering new holistic ways of being that allow for either. The beauty of humanity is that we DO both, we just tend to get "locked" in one. Perhaps you and I should make babies Lark

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    “Happiness is not the mere possession of money; it is the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort; it has such a magic that is indescribable. It has such an eternal essence that quite literally grabs on the heart strings in our very soul.

    It takes a gift to capture an essence as a flower, and these gifted men and women are as considered too be wise. They are after all mortal. But yet they capture the imagination, they pull upon the draw strings of our heart. Playing upon our conscious as such a gifted poet or artist, indeed musician extraordinaire can be added to the pantheon that stir and echo our deepest most heartfelt emotions and bring them to the air and light of day.

    I need to get my soul to communicate. It is much as a type of valve; at times words rush out of me, i am in a flow being. I try not to let ego get in a way of communication. I do try to listen what the universe can whisper. Writing, anything artistic in which one can leave their individuality to connect with the greater world, all is one and as such it is a trance; a form of meditation and a talk to a higher power. Time it does stand still

    I shall share, it is a belief any sharing, feeling, deep thought, abstraction based sharing or a sharing of experiences helps to fortify a corps de espirit. It is profound. It is no mistaking it. I said endorphins were arising. It is how I feel at times when I write. It is as if tapping into a universal well filled brimming with wise sayings. They come unbidden to me. I am in flow, for I certainly feel creative. An ecstasy if you will. Yes, a deep true sharing feels deep richness. As such it adds spice to life.

    The less the ego is involved, the better and more beautiful the art is, it apparently is to act or do without thinking. That is to let the right creative side take over. Let it flow out of you. When thinking we seek to control the end, rather than have a preliminary thought or concept and let it unfold naturally. From one's veritable unconscious. When we over think, we can end spoiling what was meant to be vs. what we wish it to be and so spoil it that is the end result.

    I believe each of us has a gift. Doing this gift, one achieves a sense of happiness as well as utter timelessness. Finding one's gift will allow the spirit the freedom to soar. This is what life this life is. Find your gift and thus you find yourself. Doing your gift benefitting the world upon which we live on called earth. Reaching a heightened state of consciousness called flow.

    For each of us are interrelated with every other life form. Combining our gifts can also produce the added benefit of a byproduct called synergy or the synergism of which the sum is greater than the parts. This experience is as rapture, which is beyond heavenly words to describe. Only for one moment do we feel like we have experienced a little slice of heaven on earth. It is confounding as it is in effect beyond description.

    I think each unique individual as a distinct path which may of course cross with other belief. Personally i think to find self, develop the gift you were born to do in the world and give back toward humanity love and reason, a balance between both.

    I call this an aberration. If I am under the weather, or stressed or even depressed I can no longer so easily tap this well of the universal consciousness. I find it disconcerting. I happen to be quiet and go into a sort of shell and don't communicate. I wait once again I tap into an inner resonance. It is like what I would call a more rational, cognizant as well a compassionate way with what words I choose.

    It has more of an essence of truth. If I cannot speak with inner truth I prefer to not speak so much. If one cannot speak truth they add to chaos. I avoid this. I seek to bridge all differences as well modes of communication. I seek in capturing nuances and thus help understanding, plus an extant peace. I am a diplomat. I deescalate arguments. I want truth in every one’s way of speaking. With if it is learned, less distortions and more easily truth.

    My writing style has definitely been brought up. I write what I "Feel." If I don't or can't capture the essence in words I rearrange it so that it resonates in my being. It is as if (and this is not schizophrenic) I write a Morse type code on what the universe communicates unto me. I try to let go of ego, and let a universal mind speak through me. I try to write what I perceive truth in my being so that it resonates with spirit. I must confess.

    I write. In an intellectual sense I can detect some grammatical anomaly and know it to be incorrect. I however will write on how I feel and this is totally regardless of known, correct way. I am striving for a truth. If I write what may be grammatically correct, it takes away the essence of the truth.

    Too many times we may ignore the inner universe, searching for peace, as well happiness when these lay within us. If one are miserable inside, then all the money, & riches, all the members of the opposite sex (or whichever sex one is attracted to, fame, material possessions, food, and travel will not soothe the soul, most certainly not for long. It is a search for inner peace that is a mantra of an INF/ENF.

    This inner universe is so crucial. This is why one needs to develop self-esteem and a healthy self-concept to truly know and acknowledge the beauty of the world. For an ISP/ESP, it may be different. This is why for greatest harmony to occur; both inner and outer realities need be balanced. Listen to this inner voice. I call it the universal consciousness. It is there. It can help one perceive and pursue activity where one can enter into a state of "Flow." This is to discover one's inner gift. What one was made to do and to become?

    I shall share, it is a belief any sharing, feeling, deep thought, abstraction based sharing or a sharing of experiences helps to fortify a corps de spirit. It is profound. It is no mistaking it. I said endorphins were arising. It is how I feel at times when I write. It is as if tapping into a universal well filled brimming with wise sayings. They come unbidden to me. I am in flow, for I certainly feel creative. An ecstasy if you will. Yes, a deep true sharing feels deep richness. As such it adds spice to life.” LightSun

    “I love it. To me the quotes are a key to our own inner wisdom. They are the spark so to speak. Words are so hard to come by that adequately express a profound truth.

    When a person gets in a state of flow and is connected, it is like magic, to this divine spark, universal consciousness what has you.

    Then the words flow like a magical and mystical stream from the unconscious depths of our soul on to the surface, to capture a profound truth that can help inspire future generations.” LightSun

    “I however quite frankly am attuned with this inner essence. My speech thus is also poetic. And does have a flow. I am "NF". I can speak scientific when I converse with my "NT" cousin and brethren. But no, I have been told I have the gift of an oratory manner. In this manner what I say resonates with who I speak to. I resonate with whom I converse so the conversation is alive with all such things called Power Words.” LightSun

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