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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Albert Einstein said this about Jesus:
    "As a child I received instruction both in the Bible and in the Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene."[17] Einstein was then asked if he accepted the historical existence of Jesus, to which he replied, "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."
    He also said, "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contribution to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and body as one, and not two separate things."

    Stephen Hawking said this:
    “ You cannot understand the glories of the universe without believing there is some Supreme Power behind it.”

    This does not prove they are Christians, but it does prove they believe in some greater divine force that was the Grand Architect of Creation.
    You didn't address the point that I was getting at, which is that religious and scientific perception changes over time.

    Besides.. Hawking stated that physical phenomenon can explain the creation of the universe without the need for a God in his The Grand Design. Einstein also said all of this stuff. Noting a "supreme power," revering the example set by Jesus, and revering the universe as a whole says nothing about a creator God, especially one that resembles anything close to the one supposed by Christianity.

    And I wanted to nip this discussion in the bud because it doesn't exactly belong in a thread where atheists are sharing their experiences about being atheists. I guess I should have done that by not replying. Looks like I fucked that one up.

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    @bologna... you didn't fuck it up... once the post made it was inevitable

    ignoring religions role and the development of scientific discoveries over time just can't lead to any happy places
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    In my opinion God from the Bible had a hand in the evolution of all life on Earth, but when it says he is the Creator, it does not also mean that he created the universe. We have no way of knowing what level of evolution the Super-Civilization of God and his colossal space station is at. As far as Heaven goes, it is in a higher dimension, proven to be scientifically possible by M-Theory, which says reality is 11-dimensional. It is very possible God is an extraterrestrial that came here from another universe, also proven possible by M-Theory because it says we exist in a multiverse of universes.

    A smart guy once told me:
    you dream a lot. As a technical civilization we evolve because we are pushed from behind by others to do that. If we have right now so much technology and science that's because Somebody else had take care of that.. WE DO NOT EVOLVE BY OURSELVES. In conclusion all your dreams will be in vain because our civilization will be wiped out from the surface of Terra. We are just in a cycle controlled by Those who own Terra and the human civilization. Nothing is accidental.

    humans masters of the Universe? the Universe will follow our will?.... Is funny to see how the IW gives false hopes to people. You fall into the same trap like everybody else. Humanity will be destroyed. Martian civilization was destroyed. We are in the middle of some extremely advanced supercivilizations who own this corner of the Milky Way Galaxy, they created us, they control us, they will distroy us. Is simple. Read the ancient manuscripts and you will understand better our place in the Universe. We exist for Them. Humanity was always controlled by others. Since moment when the man spent his existence in a tree and until in the times when he stay on a chair with his eyes into a computer monitor, humans always has danced as Others has sang. The same thing happens with our evolution as a society, as a technical modern civilization. We are just in a game with a well defined purpose. To be controlled by others for Their own interests. So stop dreaming about how great we will be because: w.e. a.r.e. a b.i.g. n.o.b.o.d.y. i.n. t.h.i.s. U.n.i.v.e.r.s.e.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    @bologna... you didn't fuck it up... once the post made it was inevitable


    ignoring religions role and the development of scientific discoveries over time just can't lead to any happy places
    It sure as hell can't. People were inspired by their religions, sheer reverence, or a sense of higher purpose to seek out the greater truths of the universe. That's what binds Aristotle, Descartes, and Hawking, despite their different backgrounds and beliefs. Whatever can be said to move us--be it our own intuitions and inspirations, a nudge from a God figure, or strings pulled by Martian overlords--it's pretty powerful stuff and shouldn't be ignored.

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    It's okay. It sure as hell feels a lot more liberating than being religious.
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    Well, I probably fall into this category...personally I view myself as agnostic but based on the nature of what I think, atheist would be how most others would probably categorize me.

    How does it affect me / 'how is it' to be one? Well, to be honest it is kind of a moot point; it doesn't negatively affect me because I don't get into those sorts of discussions with people in the first place. If someone who is religious/holds beliefs opposite to me is waxing poetic about their beliefs, I might just smile and nod/ the act of me not really jumping on the bandwagon and agreeing usually gives the message I'm not interested in engaging in the convo. I'm not interested in getting into debates with people or talking about how I believe differently or challenging others' beliefs as tied to religion/spirituality; I see little point in having the discussion because typically there's nothing to 'discuss' - neither is really going to convince the other of anything, it's very much based on how a given person views the world and their value and logic systems.

    If someone directly asks me, I'll answer truthfully, but beyond that I have no compulsion to talk about the subject with people I know view quite differently from me.

    To the point raised earlier re. if I wanted to be in a public position / politics? I would probably be put out of the running very early on because I would not use the rhetoric needed, or hold the beliefs most people in my country desire their politicians to have. I would be smear-campaigned out the door. But I don't desire to go that route, so it's all good. ha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    So stop dreaming about how great we will be because: w.e. a.r.e. a b.i.g. n.o.b.o.d.y. i.n. t.h.i.s. U.n.i.v.e.r.s.e.
    Oh, I would never presume that we were. I always thought that was more the religious standpoint? People made in God's image, his chosen people, the whole universe made for them? The only creature on Earth entitled to eternal life? I mean, eternal life. That's a way bigger deal than anything a reasonable non-religious person could ever expect for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    It's okay. It sure as hell feels a lot more liberating than being religious.
    This is what I feel as well, biggest issue that I have is thought that most likely we will disappear and not existing doesn't sound too appealing to me.

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    1 - How it is to be an atheist?
    Carefree. No angry invisible sky spy following my every move like the NSA, waiting for me to die so he can punish me for all the times I masturbated. Pretty douchebaggy move if you ask me, watching people masturbating and punishing them for it. It's like hacking a porn site, just to track down the addresses of all the viewers, going to their houses and chopping off their dicks or something. That's something only an asshole would do. Or a complete psycho.

    2 - Have you ever gotten in a less favorable situation because of it?
    Our local church used to organize fun activities for kids when I was little and of course I couldn't join in... However it might have been better for me, with all the child molesting church tales you hear lately.

    3 - Are you open about about it?
    Why not?

    4 - Do your family and co-workers know it?
    It's more people sense that I'm an atheist right away. I don't preach it or anything, it's more like I breathe atheism like Perez Hilton breathes gayness. People never assume I'm religious or act surprised when they find out I'm not. And I was raised by atheists, so my family knows. It would be more shocking if I converted to mormonism (if that's what you guys call it).
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    I have a question for the atheists here:

    If a religious family member/friend/loved one/etc. comforting you in times of distress made any mention of praying for you or whatnot, would you be okay with that?

    I only ask because I would want the people closest to me to understand that if I say such things, regardless of whether or not they believe in the existence of God, that it's simply my way of expressing my love for them and that they truly are in my thoughts and prayers.
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