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    I'm so tired of the way some "agnostics" separate themselves from other atheists in these discussions; as if they on a higher ground than the latter. You cannot label yourself as an "agnostic" without adding what you are agnostic ABOUT. There are 4 categories of people - all people can be boxed into one of these, whether you like it or not. Sorted after strength of belief (although some would argue that it takes at least as much faith to have a complete belief in God's non-existence as it does having a complete belief in His existence):

    Gnostic theist
    Agnostic theist
    Agnostic atheist (Dawkins, and most other "reasonable" atheists - despite of Dawkins having lapses, probably due to his age)
    Gnostic atheist (fanatic)

    Most atheists fall into the third.

    Let's look at the definition of agnosticism:
    Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.[1][2]
    As you can see, it says nothing about your actual belief in the thing's existence. That's why it's almost a non sequitur simply answering "I'm agnostic" to the question "Do you believe in God?"

    The definition of gnosticism is a bit more difficult to tie down, but it's by definition the opposite of agnosticism - so a gnostic person possesses actual knowledge about the thing's (non-)existence, ie. "I know God exists." These people are usually perceived as crazy.

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    ^ Yeah, I mean that just makes sense. It would be just as idiotic to say "I completely believe there isn't a crazy gorilla at the center of the universe" as to say you believe there is one.
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    I predict a death bed conversion in someones future.

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    Kind of like Charles Darwin's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Kind of like Charles Darwin's?

    ("Reports of my conversion were extremely exaggerated.")
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    Wait...isn't this exactly what he's always said?

    Actually, that's not a question. It IS what he's always said. Or did you guys think, up until this point, that he was advocating the a priori assumption that God doesn't exist? I mean, that's why he's always going on and on about evidence...
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    I find that those who call themselves agnostics are usually inconsistent in their reluctance to believe one thing or the other. In their everday lives, they claim to know that pigs cannot fly, relying only on fallible human knowledge; but when it comes to this question, they suddenly give great seriousness to argumentative abortions that, in matters of pig, would certainly be lauged off.

    Yes, this topic has the potential to raise interesting questions about epistemology and logic in general, but, at the end of the day, we do feel comfortable saying that pigs cannot fly. So the hesitance to say as much about (the christian) god suggests, I venture to guess, a fear of the audience rather than an honest mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileyMan View Post
    I'm so tired of the way some "agnostics" separate themselves from other atheists in these discussions; as if they on a higher ground than the latter. You cannot label yourself as an "agnostic" without adding what you are agnostic ABOUT. There are 4 categories of people - all people can be boxed into one of these, whether you like it or not. Sorted after strength of belief (although some would argue that it takes at least as much faith to have a complete belief in God's non-existence as it does having a complete belief in His existence):

    Gnostic theist
    Agnostic theist
    Agnostic atheist (Dawkins, and most other "reasonable" atheists - despite of Dawkins having lapses, probably due to his age)
    Gnostic atheist (fanatic)
    Prepare to be more weary. Having reread the definitions, I don't feel comfortable using any label more specific than 'agnostic' because it wouldn't be accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Prepare to be more weary. Having reread the definitions, I don't feel comfortable using any label more specific than 'agnostic' because it wouldn't be accurate.
    You'll have to expand on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileyMan View Post
    Gnostic theist
    Agnostic theist
    Agnostic atheist (Dawkins, and most other "reasonable" atheists - despite of Dawkins having lapses, probably due to his age)
    Gnostic atheist (fanatic)
    I have some severe reservations of how helpful this distinction truely is - not least of because "gnostic" is often used to identify a particular kind of religious belief system that is distinguish from other religious systems like Christianity in most cases. There are issues of mixing up different concepts here too.

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