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    Cool The Poetic Code

    The less people who understand a poem the better. And just as a woman should keep her mystery, so should a poem.

    No one in their right mind writes a poem for money, and no one want to prostitute a poem. Who wants their poem handed round from hairy hand to hairy hand, who wants their poem drooled over in locker rooms?

    If we can't license poems like guns and keep them in locked safes, the very least we can do is make them unintellibible.

    Yes, poems are a secret code to the unconscious, they are the secret path to the rag and bone yard of the heart, they speak from the hidden springs of Delphi.

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    Cool Poems and Wikileaks

    No poems should be published.

    Let the hackers find them and release them one by one on Wikileaks.

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    That's interesting you say that @Victor, because some of the very best hackers I know are poets. Revolutionaries usually do have a knack for words.

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    I think a little bit of both happens. I think that reader interprets from their own viewpoint & injects some meaning, and the author may have many intended meanings. This doesn't mean that the author strategizes on how to fit these meanings into one poem. I think they often are expressing a feeling/idea that has many layers & angles for themselves as well. Something precise & exact would not be able to capture all of this so neatly, which is why art is the means of expression.

    I'm no great poet/writer, but sometimes I see other meanings than what I was consciously aware of in the moment in what I write myself, and they're neither deliberate nor unintended. I don't start necessarily with any specific message in mind; it sort of unfolds itself.

    To try & reduce a poem to one, specific meaning sort of misses the point of what poetry does. It expresses what ordinary phrasing can't. I have no issue with analyzing poems though, which I find entertaining & enlightening, as long as there is no insistence that it must mean one, specific thing. Some interpretations are better than others too; they manage to intellectualize the feeling/idea as best you can without reducing it to something else, something so specific it blocks out the rest of its ideas. Line by line analyzing can be silly when the whole thing is creating a mood/atmosphere; it's like analyzing a painting by every square inch. It seems like people need to make "sense of" every part. The words themselves are not the whole thing anyway; there's the rhyme, line structure, rhythm & other ways the sounds & even visual aspects of the words interplay.

    Anyhow, I've noticed the exact opposite of some here when it comes to how people approach poetry. Many people interpret things very literally. I've noticed this not only in poetry but even in song lyrics. Many think a poem or song must be about a specific, literal experience, as if something real in a concrete sense must have triggered it. It seems many poems/songs are not about such literal things at all. It's not necessarily about the writer or their life or any specific thing, but just general concepts & ideas that are not easily expressed any other way.
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    Unclean Idolators

    If we trace a poem back to its birth, we find it begins before meaning and interpretation. And that is why meaning and interpretation are not poems.

    Meaning and interpretation are false idols, they are not kosher, they are not halal.

    Meaning and interpretation are for unclean idolators.

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    Poetry and morality do not mix, other than humourously.

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