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    There are two aspects to the use of these terms. The first is accuracy. Does the person you are calling "retarded" really have this mental disability, or are you using the term to insult someone for doing something you disagree with? Does the "socialist" really hold political views consistent with that philosophy, or is he just not a dyed-in-the-wool Republican?

    Assuming the term is accurate, it becomes a question of sensitivity. There are no objective criteria here, just the sensibilities of those using and hearing the terms. Reasons for finding one term or another offensive vary, and as someone else already observed, it is not always those in the labelled group that take greatest offense.
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    Hooray for the first amendment.

    I'm of the opinion, especially in this day and age, that people generally should have thicker skins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I think no matter what term you use, someone will be offended by it. There isn't a way around it. You can use a more politically correct term but even some of the politically correct terms someone could find offensive and then what are you going to replace it with?
    Mmm... Maybe "offended" isn't quite the word I was looking for. I meant more along the lines of "hurt", like someone who is disabled and keeps hearing words that describe them used to describe bad things throughout their whole life - not the Internet White Knights that point their pointy fingers at George Takei when he's giving a mouthful to gay bashers because he said "douchebag" (true story).

    I guess that, if I'm not a good person, I might as well try to settle for "nice"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Hooray for the first amendment.

    I'm of the opinion, especially in this day and age, that people generally should have thicker skins.
    Perhaps but assholes shouldnt use freedom as a flag of convenience to carry on being assholes either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Perhaps but assholes shouldnt use freedom as a flag of convenience to carry on being assholes either.
    Well put, Sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Well put, Sir.
    I once read that when Orwell fought for freedom of speech he couldnt care less about pornography, that's probably my opinion, although I'll be honest that it also grinds my gears when I hear or witness anti-social behaviour of the worst kind and it all excused by freedom. Its really running the concept into the ground.

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    Doesn't it seem kind of simple-minded to say that because you can't come up with black and white rules about which terms are offensive to whom and when, that you just simply can't be bothered to think about it at all?

    I mean, I don't think anybody likes it when people self-righteously try and prescribe what you can and cannot say or else you're a horrible racist/sexist/homophobe/transphobe/ableist, but that doesn't mean the opposite - that you should be thoughtless about the language you use, because you personally feel that no one should be offended by words - is any more legitimate a prescription.
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    As I read that, I was preparing to be offended.

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    Ableism and Moralism

    Ableism is simply moralism.

    And it is important to remember that propaganda is neither good nor bad, neither true nor false. Rather, propaganda is plausible or implausible.

    And the besetting sin of propagandists is to believe their own propaganda.

    So if we believe ableism is good, then we are committing the sin of believing our own propaganda.

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