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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    I was once asked by a member if I ever got depressed, because I always seem so happy. No, I'm not, and right now is one of those moments.
    That's terrible. It can seem like there's no meaning in some experiences.
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    The universe doesn't seem to have a point in the sense that something meaningful and intelligent, in an anthropomorphic sense, seems to pervade it. In short, the massive universe in which we're a mere speck doesn't seem to have a point. But "having a point" also seems like a human invention, something coming from our need to survive and prosper. A point in this sense, the merely human sense, can still exist. We can live our lives in a way that has meaning for us personally whether or not the universe itself has a point. We may of course one day discover that the universe does have a point, but the fact that it will take Voyager some 80,000 years to reach the nearest star (Alpha Centauri) at it's current speed doesn't bode well for humans conquering the universe anytime soon. But that doesn't mean we're pointless and it doesn't mean that life can't have meaning or purpose. It's the level that one looks for meaning that counts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfa View Post
    Some weeks ago I felt kinda empty thinking about the point of friendship. I still don't have a satisfactory answer, but I'm ok with that for now.
    interesting!
    some weeks ago, i too were contemplating the very same thing, and instead of looking what makes it pointless, you should look for what makes it pointful!

    humans are capable of rationalizing ANYTHING.. this includes making everything pointless, or the very opposite which obviously gives you a better life.

    those answers to friendhsips i found:
    feelings, cultivate the mutual feelings, and mutual thoughts you share. (and constantly hunt for new ones. and create where there are none.)
    make the thoughts flow and cause a domino effect affecting the whole of humanity through the acts of friendship.

    i smile at a stranger, i know im causing a positive domino effect cause i do it genuinely and the receiver shows understanding (and gratitude) through their eyes.
    small act, big consequences.
    although it was unconscious unintended act of me, by choosing positive over negative outlook, your whole life changes for the better and that of many others.

    the point of life: discover your natural abilities and cultivate them by giving a point for everything. (which means, find what you truly love about life and keep finding more from within and spread it out! for example, for istp's its often sport.)
    you must learn to be generous to yourself if you are to stay that way to others.
    and the other way, neither can maintain itself without the other.
    (and this has nothing to do with ego. ego, is a fictional creature, a mere figment of imagination implanted by negative environment.)

    and to what (as well as all the other things) i referred with natural abilities: empathy, without it we are unhappy psychopaths.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Even happiness is fleeting. And notice, while we are pursuing happiness, we are unhappy. So the very pursuit of happiness causes unhappiness.
    i would like to point out, the problem is not pursuing happiness, but misunderstanding what happiness is.
    many coroprates depend on manipulating this image of happiness.. so no wonder.

    happiness itself is something which depends more on the society you live in than the individual.
    albeit, on many cases damaging environments can open the eyes of those who decide to do so.
    as such, gaining a far greater understanding of what all it takes.
    and as sad as it is, it depends on changing the society.
    cause we are a group specie.

    individual growth has its limits, at some point that limit can be broken only by helping those of your clan/tribe grow.

    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    the point? you only have one life, as far as we know, so you might as well see as much of what life has to offer in that time period... the fact that some day I'll die and there'll STILL be tons of things that I don't know, have never see, tasted, heard, felt or smelled, places I haven't been, things I haven't tasted... that always saddens me a bit.
    well, i have a cure for you.
    rationalize 5 senses into pointless repetition, and tadah, that repetition is utterly pointless thus it wouldnt matter if you didnt =)

    and then rationalize something more complex as complex enough to satisfy you until you do the same thing with it too.

    rinse and repeat, until your eather a) einstein or b) happy with what little yet endlessly complex machine you are.


    i "wasted" my childhood on games, but it taught me that what they said is pointless, is exactly what they do their whole lives with but in other forms.

    but with that ability to see how everything is repetition even if it has never happened, purified my ability to see life for what it really is.
    life is repetition, choose to repeat simply or look for more complex repetitions, repetition anyways.
    but with latter option, you eventually reach higher control over your life and thus your happiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku View Post
    well, i have a cure for you.
    rationalize 5 senses into pointless repetition, and tadah, that repetition is utterly pointless thus it wouldnt matter if you didnt =)

    and then rationalize something more complex as complex enough to satisfy you until you do the same thing with it too.

    rinse and repeat, until your eather a) einstein or b) happy with what little yet endlessly complex machine you are.


    i "wasted" my childhood on games, but it taught me that what they said is pointless, is exactly what they do their whole lives with but in other forms.

    but with that ability to see how everything is repetition even if it has never happened, purified my ability to see life for what it really is.
    life is repetition, choose to repeat simply or look for more complex repetitions, repetition anyways.
    but with latter option, you eventually reach higher control over your life and thus your happiness.
    I wasn't asking for a "cure"... I'm perfectly content enjoying the world around me... why would I want to stop?

    (aka your post makes no sense in the context of this article OR to my philosophy towards living... if you want to not enjoy living go on with your unenjoyment, but I'm going to stick with the thrill of every day )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Or why not mourn your loss of a point?
    that's pointless. The whole point is to find a good thing to point at. The point is beyond greed. and probably has something to do with collective conciousness evolution
    1+1=3 OMFG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The unexamined life isnt worth living better to be Socrates unsatisfied than the satisfied pig.

    I've seen so many lives ruined by directionless hedonism and reflection fails.
    You know, you can reflect within the act of experience and just going about your day. It's not like they have to be two seperate things. Reflection is mobile, not just detached. Sometimes the only way to learn about life is to engage it, act, and just enjoy things as they are. I don't know the meaning of life, but I know you're not meant to be on the defensive all the time.

    There are hedonistic types who are very un-curious though. I'll definitely give you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    You know, you can reflect within the act of experience and just going about your day. It's not like they have to be two seperate things. Reflection is mobile, not just detached. Sometimes the only way to learn about life is to engage it, act, and just enjoy things as they are. I don't know the meaning of life, but I know you're not meant to be on the defensive all the time.

    There are hedonistic types who are very un-curious though. I'll definitely give you that.
    I wouldnt say the opposite of hedonism is being defensive.

    There is reflection on action and reflection in action, the most malignant hedonism doesnt really involve either to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I wasn't asking for a "cure"... I'm perfectly content enjoying the world around me... why would I want to stop?

    (aka your post makes no sense in the context of this article OR to my philosophy towards living... if you want to not enjoy living go on with your unenjoyment, but I'm going to stick with the thrill of every day )
    well, it was a bit of a joke.
    ok, maybe just half of it.
    fine, fourth of it.

    or more precisely, an intuitive point of view on sensory enjoyment being utterly boring =)

    well, im going with my intuitive enjoyment and you go with sensory, good luck!

    but overall point being: intuitives get depressed if we try to find point to life from sensory enjoyment.

    i hated eating food for what, 17, 18 years?
    until i learned to ignore food by watching documentaries when i eat.
    fine, i still hate it but it doesnt make me throw up out of disgust any more.

    call that enjoyment... well,you have to make everything into sensory enjoyment when i need an intuitive reason in order to enjoy anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilku View Post
    well, it was a bit of a joke.
    ok, maybe just half of it.
    fine, fourth of it.

    or more precisely, an intuitive point of view on sensory enjoyment being utterly boring =)

    well, im going with my intuitive enjoyment and you go with sensory, good luck!

    but overall point being: intuitives get depressed if we try to find point to life from sensory enjoyment.

    i hated eating food for what, 17, 18 years?
    until i learned to ignore food by watching documentaries when i eat.
    fine, i still hate it but it doesnt make me throw up out of disgust any more.

    call that enjoyment... well,you have to make everything into sensory enjoyment when i need an intuitive reason in order to enjoy anything.
    I *think* I'm a sensor, but I'm not all that crazy about food myself. It's cool, but I don't really consciously dwell on it. It's nice when it's there. Sensory enjoyment could be a variety of things though. Like laying in a comfortable couch with my headphones blaring. Floating on my back in a pool, on a hot day, thinking about nothing in particular. If any of that depresses intuitives, then they are the biggest whiners ever. There are so many better reasons to be depressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I *think* I'm a sensor, but I'm not all that crazy about food myself. It's cool, but I don't really consciously dwell on it. It's nice when it's there. Sensory enjoyment could be a variety of things though. Like laying in a comfortable couch with my headphones blaring. Floating on my back in a pool, on a hot day, thinking about nothing in particular. If any of that depresses intuitives, then they are the biggest whiners ever. There are so many better reasons to be depressed.
    how would you fare in a world where 75% were intuitives?
    thats the situiation we ake our whole lives with, and its _not_ easy.

    imagine instead of in schools you were taught, they would simply demand you to learn everything by yourself from one paragraph, the ideal intuitive school.
    where they wouldnt even tell you what to learn, they would simply say, go, learn whatever you want and ill read your thoughts after the year to see what youve learned. (instead of some bs test.)

    you have nay idea what it does to a person to live in a world which was _not_ made for them to live at?
    thats right, you dont, thus you shouldnt criticize what you know not.

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    and the best part, when you know eactly how you learn, the sensors think you need to learn how to clean your house and thus put you to study cleaning for one year, while in real you just couldnt care less about something you could learn by imaginating in your head instead of destroying your bones by risking to learn by doing.

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