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    Default Are atheists as important as they think they are

    That isn't meant sarcastically whatsoever.

    (& neither was that disclaimer for you paranoids); I'm an atheist, but for me it was a no-brainer. Even as a child I didn't believe in god. I felt sorry for him for not existing.

    So I have a quizzical attitude toward those gung-ho atheists who are so vocal & militant. Agnosticism has been a commonplace in western intellectual life for a hundred years so it's peculiar that people could still find the idea revolutionary.

    But then I think, maybe they're fighting a cultural battle. After all religion is as old as humanity & maybe releasing its hold on our collective consciousness is something that will take generations of work. & maybe religious ideas are deep in the structure of our institutions & social organization which prevent us from solving problems.

    But THEN I think... in all probability the real villains of today have nothing to do with religion, the things to worry about are resource overconsumption, resource misallocation, technological authoritarianism, economic exploitation, etc... & the atheist intellectuals are just a sign that the rich people of the world have too much time on their hands & nothing better to do.

    What do you think? Is atheism today an important cultural battle?
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    I honestly don't think so. I mean, last century shows that Godless ideologies are just as destructive and insidious as their counterparts. If I went militant about endorsing something that would make the situation better, it would be tolerance. (heh)
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    i think that the militant form of atheism we are seeing these days is modernism's last gasp, just as calvinism, a type of christianity which is largely based on propositional truth acquired primarily through reason, is. both privilege rationalism. imo we are moving into a postmodern era where truth is localized and pluralized rather than universal in nature. modernism is man-centered and privileges reason whereas postmodernism is more localized and pluralized and is open to the supernatural.

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    I don't think that I'm all that important... I didn't choose not to be religious, I just simply couldn't believe even though I was raised to. I find religions to be fascinating... how they evolved with society, the ways and strengths with which people have believed over time, the impact of religion on society and vice versa... the art and music that came from religion- the cathedrals, temples, paintings and compositions are awe inspiring. Unfortunately, I find the human created art inspired by religion more awe inspiring than I find the idea of god

    religion and atheism both contribute and detract from the world in the same ways... they are two sides of the same coin and you couldn't really have one without the other for contrast in a way... neither is more or less important than the other
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    I would say no because to me it seems passé, but then I see shit like this: Ind. Senate panel votes to let schools teach creationism, If by "Christian love" you mean hatred & contempt...

    That said, I like what Hitchens said in his introduction to The Portable Atheist:

    "The rejection of the man-made concept of God is not a sufficient condition for intellectual or moral emancipation. Atheists have no right to go around looking superior. They have only fulfilled the necessary condition by throwing off the infancy of the species and disclaiming a special place in the natural scheme."
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    Its crazy that there is no "Live and let live" religion. I believe what I want...you believe what you want...I will listen to your beliefs, you will listen to mine...we live seperate lives...religion does not support that though Someones wrong, we will MAKE them wrong as we cant really prove any of it right/wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    Its crazy that there is no "Live and let live" religion. I believe what I want...you believe what you want...I will listen to your beliefs, you will listen to mine...we live seperate lives...religion does not support that though Someones wrong, we will MAKE them wrong as we cant really prove any of it right/wrong.


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    What makes you think that there aren't any 'live and let live' religions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    What makes you think that there aren't any 'live and let live' religions?
    From what I have seen in churches, they have never lead me to believe that. They accept different denominations, but what if you like the word but dont believe...would they accept that? They just pin you in a hole that goes to Hell...sounds judgmental to me. I wish you the best in "your" heaven would lead me to believe otherwise...never heard that phrase or anything close to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    From what I have seen in churches, they have never lead me to believe that. They accept different denominations, but what if you like the word but dont believe...would they accept that? They just pin you in a hole that goes to Hell...sounds judgmental to me. I wish you the best in "your" heaven would lead me to believe otherwise...never heard that phrase or anything close to it.
    It's the way the universe works, aggressive things are in your face, you notice them.. the other's not so much. There are plenty of religions that are committed to peace and don't believe in damnation. Well, and as far as Christians go, most of them won't stone, tar and feather you, that's really does count for something considering human history. In fact, most of them won't look down at you at all if you aren't Christian.

    EDIT: Okay, maybe not most, but a lot.

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