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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Maybe, but I doubt Salome has a logically consistent reason for NOT killing people who disagree. Without God, being against murder only amounts to a preference, but at least you don't have to worry about being oppressed... Until you encounter someone with a different preference and an inclination to kill you.
    My logically consistent reason is that I'm not pathologically insane (...all the time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Maybe, but I doubt Salome has a logically consistent reason for NOT killing people who disagree. Without God, being against murder only amounts to a preference, but at least you don't have to worry about being oppressed... Until you encounter someone with a different preference and an inclination to kill you.
    well, I am not from the Wild West

    My people tended to kill big scale in the name of God
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    well, I am not from the Wild West
    You're not from the wild wild west because you are from a people that centuries ago recognized the importance of law. And, not law as mere raw power, but a higher law of God that bound all people. You should be thankful that you are the recipient of the residual effects of a historically Christian nation.

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    My people tended to kill big scale in the name of God
    That is very sad. it's always sad when people take the law of God and distort it to their own ends.
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    I think you'll find it's because he's from Germany.

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    God, Hitler, call it as you like. I'll go and drink my Scotch now. Salomé
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    It's important to note that while oppression does occur often within the church (and pretty much everywhere else in society) technically many Christians don't believe submission to necessarily mean unequal. This is made most obvious in the trinity where Jesus submits to the father, but is equal to him.
    I'd argue that although technically this is true, the amount of people who presume that submission is a sign of a lack of equality far exceeds anyone who presumes submissive qualities to be on par with less-submissive ones. The two are no longer defined as being capable of linking together..

    When you ask people how they would describe Jesus, I doubt you'll find many to reply with "submissive" with a tone of inspiration, although that may very well be one of his greatest qualities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    God, Hitler, call it as you like. I'll go and drink my Scotch now. Salomé
    The ironic thing is that the only reason that the Nuremberg trials were able to find any nazi guilty was by an appeal to natural law. All of the horrible things hitler's men did were perfectly legal. The Germans were very procedurally alert and made sure that every mass killing was by the book. They could only be held accountable if they were disobeying a law higher than the German state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    My logically consistent reason is that I'm not pathologically insane (...all the time).
    "The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    When you ask people how they would describe Jesus, I doubt you'll find many to reply with "submissive" with a tone of inspiration, although that may very well be one of his greatest qualities.
    Probably true. Pretty remarkable given that the whole dying on the cross thing is a pretty big deal and it was really against his own desires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    The ironic thing is that the only reason that the Nuremberg trials were able to find any nazi guilty was by an appeal to natural law. All of the horrible things hitler's men did were perfectly legal. The Germans were very procedurally alert and made sure that every mass killing was by the book. They could only be held accountable if they were disobeying a law higher than the German state.
    Ok but then lets assume for a moment that mankind was actually able to learn from its mistakes. And it would from the nazi regime and the things that happened at the Nürnberg trials derive ethics and a morale that is congruent with the ones of religion. Why do I need to believe in God then ?
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