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    Your observations are reasonable. My comments about missionaries apply only to those with a specific attitude. I disagree fundamentally with attempts to convince others to abandon their own faith and take on one's own. Accepting that as a valid purpose, however, there are better and worse ways to achieve it. Someone who claims that converting others (aka "saving souls") is their God-given goal but fails to pursue the most effective means to that end is misguided indeed. I agree with those who have already remarked that the best evangelization strategy is simply to walk the walk. Eventually people will start asking where you learned it, and in the meantime, you can accomplish alot of good.
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    Welp, I agree with both of you, and I'll have to refine my thoughts. People may believe that they're doing others a service by bashing them over the head with their message, from their perspective, but it sure ain't the most effective way to deliver their word. In the end, it will probably turn people off. It seems to me that they will believe that they have "done their duty" by delivering their message in their own language, when in reality they could be doing much more to reach their audience.

    This applies just as much to professors who don't know how to reach their students, engineers who don't know how to structure a presentation for their target audience, and so on. The key is to hook people, man.

    @Lark, what's RC?

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    RC Roman Catholic

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    Blessed are they who hear and believe these words from God:

    Isaiah 1:18
    “Come now, and let us reason together,”
    Says the Lord,
    “Though your sins are like scarlet,
    They shall be as white as snow;
    Though they are red like crimson,
    They shall be as wool."

    John 8:34-36
    Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed."

    John 6:35-40
    And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

    1 Peter 3:18
    For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit

    2 Corinthians 5:20
    Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.

    AMEN.

    May God grant you eyes to see and ears to hear him today!

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    from Charge of the Goddess:

    Hear the words of the Star Goddess, the dust of Whose feet are the hosts of Heaven, Whose body encircles the universe: I Who am the beauty of the green earth and the white moon among the stars and the mysteries of the waters, I call upon your soul to arise and come unto me. For I am the soul of nature that gives life to the universe. From Me all things proceed and unto Me they must return.

    Let My worship be in the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and pleasure are My rituals. Let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, honor and humility, mirth and reverence within you.

    And you who seek to know Me, know that the seeking and yearning will avail you not, unless you know the Mystery: for if that which you seek, you find not within yourself, you will never find it without. For behold, I have been with you from the beginning, and I am That which is attained at the end of desire.


    Blessed be!
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    Here again is the gracious, merciful God of all creation calling you to himself for a free and complete pardon from divine judgement.

    The word of the Lord Jesus Christ:

    John 5:24
    “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

    Will you not believe him right now and be saved?
    Or will you cling to your pride on the day of his wrath?

    And you who would mock this gracious pronouncement of God--be careful how you respond.

    Luke 11:23-24
    Jesus said:
    "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters."

    Do you dare go against God's Anointed, the Savior, the King of Kings? Will you join the Devil himself in such wicked rebellion?

    If so, then your condemnation is just.
    But even so, Christ will save even the vilest sinner who repents. So here it is again:

    John 5:24
    “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

    AMEN.

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    Who are you talking to, Spurgeon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Who are you talking to, Spurgeon?
    To anyone who has ears to hear.

    And may God grant many in this place such a gift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    To anyone who has ears to hear.
    So even your reply to my question is quoting scripture too. I know Jesus said that a lot.

    But what do you say? Why don't you talk to people with your own words? Does it make you more authoritative to do this instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    So even your reply to my question is quoting scripture too. I know Jesus said that a lot.

    But what do you say? Why don't you talk to people with your own words? Does it make you more authoritative to do this instead?
    Yes, absolutely.

    If I speak with my own authority it means nothing.

    But if I publish the words of God himself, then whoever rejects it condemns himself before God.

    Whoever receives it receives peace with God.

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