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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No.
    Amused and humbled by your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    But this is an argument from fallacy. You initially considered the possibility that Jung had a personal revelation until you researched more and discovered that he was interested in mysticism. Once you heard that, you concluded that Jung had not experienced anything divine, but instead that he had encountered demons. Essentially, you are asserting that mysticism is not included in your understanding of God, so anything that led Jung to mysticism cannot be divine. Jung's experiences are consistent with the experiences of those who are understood to have had a revelation...the only difference is the fruit of that revelation.
    Correct, that's my opinion.

    Why do you dismiss Jung's experiences with the facepalm smiley?
    I do not dismiss, I grieve. From a Biblical standpoint, I concluded Jung was being led into darkness by entities that were hindering him from developing a relationship with God by way of faith.

    I feel that God showed me something through my revelation yesterday about faith. God wants us to come to him in prayer and word. If we're tapping into the spirit realm and talking to spirit guides, we are not seeking God by faith. We are seeking God in signs and wonders because of a lack of faith.

    I sincerely believe Jung thought he tapped into God (an external entity).

    Are you aware of any scriptures that do not support what i'm saying? If so, it would help me a lot if you would post a reference, so I can better understand.

    His conclusions do not mirror the dogma of yours or any other religion, but their lack of specificity represents to me an honest spiritual inquiry, not a demonic hustle.
    I agree. I really appreciate the insight.

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    Wiki:

    Jung's assessment of Western religion arose both from his own experiences as well as from the psychotherapeutic work with his European clients. As a young man he had visions and dreams that were powerful and rich with meaning, yet he clung to Christianity. While he believed that God could "do stupendous things to me, things of fire and unearthly light", he was profoundly disappointed by his first communion—in his words, "nothing happened"[2]. He saw the same symptoms in his clients, namely, a fascination with the power of the unconscious, coupled with the inadequacy of Western religious symbols and rituals to represent this power. Summing up his analysis of the modern European situation he said: "Our age wants to experience the psyche for itself ... knowledge, instead of faith."[3]
    According to Murray Stein, Jungian training analyst and author, Jung related theological concepts and psychological concepts using three tenets:[4]
    That words about theological constructs (such as "God") can be interpreted as referring to structures within the psyche.
    That psychologists can evaluate the adequacy of theological constructs against the normative structure and dynamics of the psyche.
    That words about the psyche are also words about God, due to the correspondence between the structures of subjectivity and objectivity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No.
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    Too few understand their consciousness enough to give more than basic responses thats rehashing basic responses from everywhere else instead of listening to ones inner self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
    In other words Religions are Archetypes constructs from thought forms, based on supported illusion.

    Jung understood this by the end, it was a bit late though, he ran out of time to amplify his own frequency so he presented what he knew the best way he could. And it goes over peoples heads a lot, many people on their paths are out of sync to their energy, and believe in what they believe for a reason. It is safe, it meets the criteria of their ego, their dualism. For to consider that life is more than the sum total of personal ego is incomprehensible. Indeed when one starts to understand the bardos and tibetan book of the dead, there is a lot of wisdom there. Personally Jung was expanding his consciousness and stopped short.

    When you focus on the I, is there any energy left for Thy?
    When thy will be done?
    Nah, religions arent archetypes. Religions are ways to appreciate your unconscious mind by projecting your unconsciousness to some hypothetical entity and worshipping the entity. Its basically the same enlightnment that you have with buddhism and on christianity, the only difference is that in buddhism its seen as knowing yourself(assimilating your unconscious mind with your consciousness by going against your ego) and in christianity its seen as knowing some entity called god(projecting your unconsciousness and the projections are seen by the ego). Imo its better to see the real thing, not some projection that has been altered by other people..
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Nah, religions arent archetypes. Religions are ways to appreciate your unconscious mind by projecting your unconsciousness to some hypothetical entity and worshipping the entity. Its basically the same enlightnment that you have with buddhism and on christianity, the only difference is that in buddhism its seen as knowing yourself(assimilating your unconscious mind with your consciousness by going against your ego) and in christianity its seen as knowing some entity called god(projecting your unconsciousness and the projections are seen by the ego).
    No, its not that either. Although synapse is trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, its not that either. Although synapse is trolling.
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Nah, religions arent archetypes. Religions are ways to appreciate your unconscious mind by projecting your unconsciousness to some hypothetical entity and worshipping the entity. Its basically the same enlightnment that you have with buddhism and on christianity, the only difference is that in buddhism its seen as knowing yourself(assimilating your unconscious mind with your consciousness by going against your ego) and in christianity its seen as knowing some entity called god(projecting your unconsciousness and the projections are seen by the ego). Imo its better to see the real thing, not some projection that has been altered by other people..
    Almost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, its not that either. Although synapse is trolling.

    Do you believe in god(as in some entity)? If so, how can you be sure that your ego simply refuses to see it since, well you know how the ego works, right?

    Do you have any arguments why not or are you simply refusing to believe it?
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