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    I think that if spirituality has anything to do with essentialism it should push people to see common structures in the world rather than as an excuse for intellectual laziness. Motivate them to search for the connections and to make sense. to be more coherent people. It's tough, it's a war, battles will be lost, but I think it's worth the effort
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Because its not kosher or hallal?

    Symbolic Interactionism?

    belief is belief. Whether they believe that god is going to strike them down contrary to all evidence or that they're going to turn obese because it's a burger and burgers are bad (and eat stuff that will lead to the same result without any guilt because it doesn't hold that negative tag). We need belief because it is linked to 1) motivation and drive for action through the emotional component
    2) we do not have enough time to collect infinite evidence of everything and are creatures of bounded rationality
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    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
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    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I am thinking principally of your behaviour towards others, are you more or less kind than you believe you otherwise would be?
    My spiritual life is devoted to making the outer and the inner, one.

    That is to make the outer self and the inner self, one.

    Or perhaps I might say I am devoted to overcoming the dissociation of everyday life. Or I am devoted to overcoming the alienation of the quotidian, the every day.

    Unfortunately everyone I know are dissociated. They are divided into being good on one hand, and doing what they want on the other. For instance many go to work and do a good job, but hate going to work. So there is a constant struggle to be good within themselves. They are divided selves.

    And just as misery loves company, the dissociated gather together, and reinforce their dissociation. And they instinctively hate those who are sociated. They hate those who have found a way to be one.

    And the way I have found to be one is to do things for their own sake.

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    I'm spiritual. I am not religiously inclined, especially with regard to Christianity. (I find most Christian traditions I've interacted with to be quite soul-crushing). I'm very considerate of others. I feel compassion for most and I like to cultivate that. My compassionate feelings clashed with the religious upbringing I had, particularly the issue of judgement applied to homosexuals, (gosh, even that term, blech). I knew that kind of lifestyle was not for me: peering at everyone else for their flaws, being concerned only with one's own path and too bad for with those who will never measure up... The thought that we as humans are all lesser creatures, always somehow less; that's not for me. I wanted no part of that due to having such strong compassion for others.

    I prefer to act with kindness. It's not a stretch for me though (so I'm not patting myself on the back here). I enjoy that mode and don't like operating out of that zone for long. I used to be quite the doormat though so I have developed the ability to push back at someone on the rare occasion that I need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by violaine View Post
    I'm spiritual. I am not religiously inclined, especially with regard to Christianity. (I find most Christian traditions I've interacted with to be quite soul-crushing). I'm very considerate of others. I feel compassion for most and I like to cultivate that.
    How is that related to spirituality ? Secular spirituality maybe? But I feel like it's an oxymoron. The term is used for secular stuff but it's often to cover up the lack of coherence of one's vague feelings by wrapping them up into a life style or practices which don't necessarily have any connection what so ever with 'spirituality' except in that they are expression of a person trying to reconcile a gut feeling/pivotal point in one's perception of self worth and ego with observed reality:

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    homosexuals, (gosh, even that term, blech)
    Yes, because heterosexual is so much better. It's actually a quite neutral way to describe sexual orientation.

    moist!
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    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    I was just explaining how I operate without going into too much detail. We can take it to PM if you'd like as I feel uncomfortable talking about myself in a way that might seem like grandstanding. I'm uncomfortable talking about very personal experiences for the sake of providing proofs to someone.

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    i am spiritual, but i think it impacts my behavior little, because i do not have any specific beliefs about an afterlife or anything that would give me impetus to behave differently.

    though i do believe in the interconnectedness of all things, which may impact my behavior at a fundamental level. i generally (try to) treat all things - humans, animals, objects - kindly, because i see all as fundamentally One. i suppose my spirituality makes me take a more detached look at things, too. i like to step back and think about the song and dance of the universe.

    but it is very hard to detach spirituality from my natural thinking process. i sort of see them as one in the same. so it is rather hard to think about how my behavior would be different, if i did not have the beliefs that i do. perhaps a better answer than it does not really impact my behavior is that it impacts my entire Being so much that i would be an entirely different person without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by violaine View Post
    I was just explaining how I operate without going into too much detail. We can take it to PM if you'd like as I feel uncomfortable talking about myself in a way that might seem like grandstanding. I'm uncomfortable talking about very personal experiences for the sake of providing proofs to someone.
    up to you. We aren't contractually linked , I mean except to the informal extent that we share and use a common logosphere\language (so there is a sense that miscommunication should be avoided and information sometimes has to be provided to that end but it's of course purely on a voluntary basis in the absence of agreed upon obligations which language certainly is not
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    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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    I'm not spiritual. It doesn't really change anything. I have a conscience just like any other neurotypical person. I wouldn't classify myself as kind, since I believe people should take responsability for their destinies and I always strive for win-win relationships; but I'd say I'm a pretty fair person.
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    I recently started praying again and it's actually helped my demeanor a lot. With my profession whenever I come across really difficult people who I've had a lot of trouble with I ask God to help me just do or say whatever God wants me to do or say. It has helped incredibly with my relationships with these people. I just respond a little calmer and more patiently. I'm about the same in my interactions overall, but maybe with a more open-minded demeanor, accepting them for whatever is going to come today rather than something that may have happened yesterday. Just a way of reminding me to take a deep breath and think about what I'm saying and how I'm coming off. In turn, difficult people are responding kinder in return and the relationships have gotten better.
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