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    There's more to life than just pleasure.

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    You can save a lot and still enjoy life. The best things in live do not have to cost very much.

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    i think it depends on the sorts of things you are referring to. travel & other fun experiences--yes, do it now but i'd still save money too. i don't agree with work, work, work and wait until you retire to have fun. you could get hit by a bus tomorrow. but...consistently doing things like drugs, overeating, risky sex--just might kill you, so no thanks. also, if you don't save anything and just rack up debt you could have big problems down the road. different people find pleasure in different things. a large screen plasma tv that costs several grand--please no, i'd go travel the world rather than sit on my butt watching reruns.

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    Depends on the probability of dying. I would wager that living an hedonistic life at the age of 30 is quite risky, since you're likely to be alive in say 5 or 10 years, where many consequences of your (impersonal "your" here) choices will be felt. On the other hand, living an hedonistic lifestyle at 80 sounds perfectly reasonable. Basically, you'd have to consult mortality tables for your population and age of reference. Then estimate your daily probability of dying, integrate over the next 20 years, define a loss function for excessive hedonism and check if the such loss function obtains higher values than your maximum acceptable level.

    Instant gratification is also inefficient. You end up paying more for everything.
    That depends on an extremely large number of factors. Generally speaking, we are slowly running towards the exhaustion of our solar system, so from a thermodynamical point of view, instant gratification is always more efficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    There's more to life than just pleasure.
    ''Yes, hold on a minute''

    *hands phone*

    I think Sigmund Freud would like to have a word with you.

    All joking aside, I agree that disregarding the long term is harmful to your overall experience. However, I think what OP had in mind was that it is useless to deny yourself sane and healthy pleasure for baseless reasons (e.g., religious dogma). Why repress your sexuality (not just speaking of religion here, too many people berate themselves for thinking 'gay thoughts', for example)? Why refrain from buying something you would appreciate if it doesn't harm your verall financial status.

    A balance needs to be stricken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    There's more to life than just pleasure.
    Like Orwell said in his excellent review of Mein Kampf, socialism and capitalism had both promised people the good life, Hitler had only promised misery, hardship and death, he was every war God incarnate and the people had loved him for it and given him all they could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickledoctopus View Post
    ''Yes, hold on a minute''

    *hands phone*

    I think Sigmund Freud would like to have a word with you.

    All joking aside, I agree that disregarding the long term is harmful to your overall experience. However, I think what OP had in mind was that it is useless to deny yourself sane and healthy pleasure for baseless reasons (e.g., religious dogma). Why repress your sexuality (not just speaking of religion here, too many people berate themselves for thinking 'gay thoughts', for example)? Why refrain from buying something you would appreciate if it doesn't harm your verall financial status.

    A balance needs to be stricken.
    Yes but I see no balance at all being stricken in the live for today consumerist philosophy at hand in the OP.

    What is baseless about religious dogma? What you call dogma I may call heritage, legacies and time honoured, and more importantly time tested, tradition.

    The traditions of many of the world religions are not being invalidated by most innovative research but rather their veracity is vindicated. Even when the truth is unpalatable, distasteful or objectionable for different reasons it remains none the less the truth, for instance that total abstaining from sexual activity prevents the spread or acquiring of sexually transmitted diseases or unplanned and unwanted pregnancies, that is true, is it fun? Nope, is it something someone who wishes to experiment sexually or who wishes to descralise and reduce sexuality to recreation and amusement wants to hear or believe? Nope.

    Does anyone repress their sexuality? Does anyone berate themselves for thinking "gay thoughts"? Not on this forum anyway, I've actually heard people berate themselves for not thinking gay thoughts, I've heard of people, particularly young people, feigning and faking "gay thoughts" or "queer" sexuality because heterosexuality is "vanilla" or "uninteresting". The central cultural scaffolding of both consumerism and potential militate, indirectly and unintentionally perhaps, in favour of homosexuality.

    The recasting of these trends as sane and healthy is not something which I would consider a good thing at all.

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    I would like to consider again the title of the thread, would there not be greater risk involved in hedonism?

    As I understand it hedonism involves a devotion to pleasure and pleasure seeking, would being completely devoted to this and eschewing any deferal of immediate gratification not increase the risks of addiction, dependency and habit forming behaviour? Are there not possibly greater negative consequences to prefering pleasure seeking to prudence?

    I would suspect it is not just possible but likely, burning out the pleasure centres of the brain is a bio-physical-social-psychological problem for the individual, that's before any kind of existential or cultural angst or disillusionment is considered at all.

    In practice I find that most budding hedonists are people who actually are good at defering gratification and entertain fairly modest expectations or "someday, maybe" ideas, living out their hedonistic hopes in a week or two a year on holiday, or they are younger people who want to try every single thing they have heard about, read about, fantasised about but are in for a rude awakening generally when the reality is measured against that same fantasy. There's little worse than exaggerated expectations and hopes coming up fast against disappointing reality.

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    Enjoy the small pleasures as they come along, work toward the things you want, right?
    Your kisses, sweeter than honey. But guess what, so is my money.

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    I think a lot of people are not introspective. They just follow rules of life without ever really stopping to think about what it's all about. If they did, they wouldn't work so hard for some kind of a "reward" that doesn't exist. I think that a life completely full of pleasure can be just as empty as living life for the future. Everyone can achieve their own true happiness, it's just about finding the right balance.
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