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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraska View Post
    God exists way before our creation. So how can He be the unconsciousness of something that didn't even existed?

    Weapons enabled us to protect ourselves from wild animals but that was not their original purpose. They were invented to invade the territory of other humanoid beings.

    By the way, who said that God is our unconsciousness?
    Where do you know that god existed before human?

    People have worshipped things that they dont understand from the beginning of our times, they have worshipped sun and one tribe even worshipped an large cliff that made an shadow looking like human head. How is this not understanding the beginning of universe any different from those? All are fundamentally just something we dont understand.

    You know that people create their perception of the world, its not the actual world as it is that we are perceiving, but highly subjective world we see. But the funny thing is that we are not conscious about the subjectivity of our perceptions. We are the creators of the world, but its not th real world we create, its our own worlds we are creating, but arent aware that we are creating our world ourselves.
    Projection is a normal human phenomena, it happens all the time, we even project to our visual fiel all the time. What you see right now is mostly your brains adding stuff to your vision, its not all coming from your eyes, and whats coming from your eyes, is very limited compared to whats actually infront of your eyes.
    Now projection also comes in when filling the gaps that we dont CONSCIOUSLY understand and can even interfere with our vision if we believe hard enough(people seeing ghosts etc).
    The source of our projections is our unconsciousness(memories, repressed thoughts, some claim oir unlived life, thoughts that have yet to get intense enough to brake the treshold of consciousness(and are waiting for a proper moment to erupt) etc). When we project, we see our unconscious self in others, things in your mind that arent intense enought to come into consciousness by itself, but is interfering with your cognition and perception.
    On what REASON(belief to a man made book about belief is not a reason) do you say that this couldnt happen with the concept of god?

    Where do religious visions come from(and most importantly, when they usually happen)?
    Why is it that peoples belief on god varies so much? And how do you know that yours is the right one?
    Whats the common thing about all religions?
    I assume you believe in old/new testament. Did you know that these texts in it are coming from older religions and are modified and censored heavily(missing texts and stuff left out from texts)?
    Do you know whats the origin of these texts? Why dont you believe in those original texts instead of man made collection/version of those texts?
    How do you know that those original texts arent written to guide people to healthier more balanced life and is just a guideline for life and earth to be in balance, instead of an creator of universe?
    If someone claimed that god appeared to him in a dream and said something, would you take that as a word of god? Would you think hes just nuts?
    If not, why is it any different that this happened ages ago?
    Why do i have an idea that you are unable to answer these questions?

    If we wouldnt had weapons to protect ourselves from predators, we wouldnt had the opportunity to attack other tribes. You can see this in some other apes. They dont use weapons against each other, just to protect themselves from predators. They do things like climb on a cliff when a predator comes and throw rocks on it. Weapon is just a tool used to survive.

    The fact that god is our unconsciousness isnt told in some bible book, but is something figured out by many people when looking at religions. Buddhism is basically about this, except they just dont use word unconsciousness. The aim of enlightment in buddhism is to come conscious of unconscious mind. The idea of enlightment is similar to all religion, its just that in religions like christianity the enlightment comes in the form of projections, but imo you cant even call that real enlightment.

    I can even explain the concept of afterlife in neurological terms if you want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The two rules of atheism:

    1. There is no God.

    2. You hate him.
    Not possible. If someone hates God, he/she cannot be an atheist.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    but in this scenario god made us loaded with all our problems, and god is omniscient, so god knew as he was making us that we would create a whole host of problems. that's akin to putting a kitten with a cold in a room with other kittens then punishing it for getting the other kittens sick. what was it going to do, not breathe? what should humans have done, locked themselves up in isolated chambers so they'd never make use of the flawed facilities that god gave them?

    imo god needs to take some responsibility here.
    If a creation sucks, blame the creator.

    If the Christian God exists, he is either not omnipotent or he is malevolent.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The two rules of atheism:

    1. There is no God.

    2. You hate him.
    lol, ok.
    “Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Not possible. If someone hates God, he/she cannot be an atheist.
    And yet it is so all the same.

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    I believe god gave us free will. In order to have free will, one must have options to choose from, otherwise there is no free will. We can choose god or not god.

    It's like giving your son/daughter $10 to spend or save as they wish. As their parent, you may hope they put it into savings or use it to purchase something good. Instead they use it to buy alcohol, consume it, and get into a car accident. Is it the parent's fault because they gave their son/daughter $10? Or should the son/daughter take responsibility for the choices they made in how they utilized the money?

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    What I meant to say is: http://www.fungdark.com/2009/10/jesu...h-dicklol.html

    I don't believe in god, I don't claim to know if a god exists, I highly doubt that god(if in existence) would come in the form of any one of the god-myths we learn of from humankind's long obsession with creating gods. This means I'm right, you're wrong(as far as anyone knows).
    “Some people will tell you that slow is good – but I’m here to tell you that fast is better. I’ve always believed this, in spite of the trouble it’s caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles, Bubba…”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    And yet it is so all the same.
    No, you are incorrect.

    Here's where you start trolling, typically.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    No, you are incorrect.

    Here's where you start trolling, typically.
    I'm afraid not, how many threads have you seen about God posted by Peguy, myself or other believers on the forum?

    Did any believers take out ads on london buses about the existence of God?

    No, it would appear the God is something with preoccupies non-believers and atheists.

    There's always a steady implication that they're "good guys" passing on a happy message which will benefit and better everyones lives simply for the hearing of it, which resembles some of the religious quarters which they admittedly find most vexatious to their spirit.

    Now, dismiss that as trolling if you want Lateralus, I've noticed how you tend to do so with you're struggling with others posts.

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    Good luck trying to prove that God doesn't exist through empirical methods. You're going to go insane doing such a thing. Negative evidence to disprove such existence, so technically and logically speaking, saying there is no God is erroneous.
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