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    I understand.
    But I think that's over analyzing just a little. To me it sounds like Socrates was maybe talking in hyperbole.
    The way I see it is, you should understand yourself and your own motivations, and from what I can tell most people do. Even if just for a minute a week you introspect you should at least do it sometimes, that way you don't just live on a stormy sea with no port, instead you live on a stormy sea with no port and you know EXACTLY why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisius View Post
    @iwakar
    I understand.
    But I think that's over analyzing just a little. To me it sounds like Socrates was maybe talking in hyperbole.
    The way I see it is, you should understand yourself and your own motivations, and from what I can tell most people do. Even if just for a minute a week you introspect you should at least do it sometimes, that way you don't just live on a stormy sea with no port, instead you live on a stormy sea with no port and you know EXACTLY why.
    I agree it is overanalysis, but I also think it's the natural lack of clarity that occurs in the translation of a second-hand report from 2400+ years ago.
    "The purpose of life is to be defeated by greater and greater things." - Rainer Maria Rilke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    There sure is some bigoted crap in that post.
    I think it was a great guess. I'd be even willing to put cash into that bet. You probably can't understand the reasoning behind, so I forgive you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    You probably can't understand the reasoning
    I saw a black man rob a bank, ergo, all black men rob banks. Brilliant.

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    What Socrates saids can be compared to Aristotle's phrase "All men desire to know." This is affirming the priority of contemplation over action to the pursuit of "the good life" of virtue and truth-seeking. And yes Socrates also noted the importance of "know thy self" towards this pursuit as well.

    So the claim that contemplation and self-examination in pursuit of the good life is unethical sounds rather silly to me. Gingko may have to add more details on what his friend meant. Although it probably is related to a common modern presumption of the priority of action over contemplation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I saw a black man rob a bank, ergo, all black men rob banks. Brilliant.

    I guess this is the best your logic could come up with, but I'm not you.
    This is the kind of discussion that could take 3 pages, but I'm done here. Let's just say ''you win''.
    Gratz!
    Now I'm gonna look for a fruitful discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    I guess this is the best your logic could come up with, but I'm not you.
    Nice try. No cigar. That was your idiotic logic.

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    I agree with the statement, but I think it's a little bit strange. Examining life seems to be the undoing of people's lives sometimes. A lot of analyzing and thinking but never actually following through. I don't think that we as humans would have these examining abilities if we didn't use them, but being in your head will take you away from life itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    What Socrates saids can be compared to Aristotle's phrase "All men desire to know." This is affirming the priority of contemplation over action to the pursuit of "the good life" of virtue and truth-seeking. And yes Socrates also noted the importance of "know thy self" towards this pursuit as well.

    So the claim that contemplation and self-examination in pursuit of the good life is unethical sounds rather silly to me. Gingko may have to add more details on what his friend meant. Although it probably is related to a common modern presumption of the priority of action over contemplation.
    It sounds like a royal dose of F and P vs. T and J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post

    I guess this is the best your logic could come up with, but I'm not you.
    This is the kind of discussion that could take 3 pages, but I'm done here. Let's just say ''you win''.
    Gratz!
    Now I'm gonna look for a fruitful discussion.
    Geeze, I wonder what Jaguar will do with the population of people willing to play his games shrinking by the day

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