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    I remember debating in favor of theism on the philosophy forums for a number of years a decade or so ago. I remember that disturbing feeling when people would get harsh and disrespecting towards Christianity. It's disturbing to see it going both ways. There is a lot of hate and prejudice. It would be great if the compassion of Christ could dispel that. It would be great if reason could. Apparently everything just deteriorates into hate no matter if you are based on morals or reason or superstitions. We can't get past our inner tribal wars of dehumanizing and disrespecting.

    I think each person in this thread is trying to make sense of reality which is a great challenge. We need coherency and it is confusing when people come to different conclusions that threaten our own. Maybe there is a way to respect our common search and rise above the disrespectful hating?
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    I thought the lyric was lets get it started in here?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I thought the lyric was lets get it started in here?!
    That's the censored version apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    I remember debating in favor of theism on the philosophy forums for a number of years a decade or so ago. I remember that disturbing feeling when people would get harsh and disrespecting towards Christianity. It's disturbing to see it going both ways. There is a lot of hate and prejudice. It would be great if the compassion of Christ could dispel that. It would be great if reason could. Apparently everything just deteriorates into hate no matter if you are based on morals or reason or superstitions. We can't get past our inner tribal wars of dehumanizing and disrespecting.

    I think each person in this thread is trying to make sense of reality which is a great challenge. We need coherency and it is confusing when people come to different conclusions that threaten our own. Maybe there is a way to respect our common search and rise above the disrespectful hating?
    Really so what dichotomy have you set up there and how is that respectful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    That's the censored version apparently.
    Seriously?! No way, I wouldnt have known that at all, what sort of a band sings about getting retarded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Seriously?! No way, I wouldnt have known that at all, what sort of a band sings about getting retarded?
    Believe it or not, that's actually one of their better songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Really so what dichotomy have you set up there and how is that respectful?
    I was just basing it on some of the angry exchanges from people who represent some of those positions. I tried to clarify in the second paragraph when I said that people are working towards understanding reality. That is what is going on a deeper level, but in these surface exchanges things deteriorate in ways that don't generally inspire respect. It is possible to still respect the individuals for their core search, but not agree with the surface fighting.

    There is an underlying respect in knowing that people have a deeper capacity than what occurs in fleeting angry moments online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Believe it or not, that's actually one of their better songs.
    I think I saw these guys as the entertainment during the super bowl during the break in the play, I couldnt believe they where the best act which they could get because I think U2 and acts like that have been the break time entertainment in the past.

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    Atheism refers more to the absence of a higher power rather than a complete refutation of anything supernatural. Plus, there are certain limitations to language such that in some cases there are no better words to use. However, in this case Wikipedia has revealed the origin of the word spirit:

    The English word spirit comes from the Latin spiritus, meaning "breath", but also "spirit, soul, courage, vigor", ultimately from a Proto-Indo-European *(s)peis. It is distinguished from Latin anima, "soul." In Greek, this distinction exists between pneuma (πνευμα), "breath, motile air, spirit," and psykhē (ψυχη), "soul."

    The word "spirit" came into Middle English via Old French. The distinction between soul and spirit also developed in the Abrahamic religions: Arabic nafs (نفس) opposite rúħ (روح); Hebrew neshama (נְשָׁמָה nəšâmâh) or nephesh (in Hebrew neshama comes from the root NŠM or "breath") opposite ruach (רוּחַ rûaħ).
    So when you talk about someone being "spirited," you are actually using the word in its oldest sense and it has nothing to do with anything supernatural.

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    Back on topic to the OP here...

    Can atheists talk about spirit? I think it is possible. For instance, science can be a great source of spirituality. It awakens our being to understand our relationship as humanity with ourselves, as well as our relationship to the universe around us. The beauty of nature and the Cosmos can be awe inspiring and humbling for us as humans. It is a spiritual experience... the connection with human beings as well as the connection between us and nature. So the answer to the original question is yes.

    However, like Einstein stated, "Religion without science is blind. Science without religion is lame." Spirituality/ religion as well as scientific explanations work to help us understand the world around us. They are two branches of the same tree. Just one can't use science to explain religion, and one can't use religion to explain science. Science answers the question "how", and religion answers the question "why?". If one decides to use religion as their means of explaining why the universe is here, then it is their choice. Likewise, if one decides to use science as their means to explain how the universe is here, then it is their choice. But, with the two together, it creates a more in depth perspective of the world around us.

    We are a small part of a vast universe, and a small part of the history of Earth, so why not be spiritually moved by it?
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