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    yeah. this is a scary topic to start.

    anyways, i always see these bumper stickers that say "against abortion? then don't have one and shut up!" to me, that's stupid. if someone is against abortion, it's because they think life starts at conception. so to them, someone who has an abortion is committing murder -- why should they shut up? they should feel obligated to stop it, just like anyone should feel obligated to stop murder.

    i personally am pro-choice, but i think many pro-choicers completely miss the whole issue; they think it's black and white. it's NOT. i'm tired of these blind ultra-liberals...

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    Abortion.........Not something I'd do, well not unless there was something wrong with the baby anyway. I wouldn't want to see my child suffer.

    I do think people should be able to chose for themselves though.

    However having said that I think some people take it far to lightly, I know one lady that (rummor has it), has had 5 abortions, and to me thats just wrong.

    I think i'd agree that life starts at conception, however thought dosen't, so is it really life?................Um tricky subject, i'll be watching this one with interest.

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    i see nothing wrong with death in and of itself. however, in society no person has the right to end the life of another.

    if pregnancy is bringing someone into life, then that should be correctable if the pregnancy was unintended.

    all rights branch out from the existence of life, and if the existence of the life was a mistake then the rights are waived to correct that so that mistake is not perpetuated.

    many will say that a fetus is not a person or doesnt have a life... what has a 'life' is anything that is alive, and a person is something that is alive that is a human, regardless of what stage of life it is in. a parent cannot kill their two-year-old-terror because they no longer wish to raise it. the only legitimate reason to end someone's life is if the creation of said life was unintended, and that can be known definitively as soon as someone realizes they are pregnant. past that, i see it as an earlier form of "killing your toddler".

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    i'm for abortion
    especially if the parents cannot take care of it
    whether it be because of their financial situation, or they are not fit to raise a child
    although it is very inhumane to deny anyone of a right to bear a child,
    it is also cruel to put a child in a state that it cannot be taken care of properly
    especially if the manque parents can barely take care of themselves
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    yeah. this is a scary topic to start.

    anyways, i always see these bumper stickers that say "against abortion? then don't have one and shut up!" to me, that's stupid. if someone is against abortion, it's because they think life starts at conception. so to them, someone who has an abortion is committing murder -- why should they shut up? they should feel obligated to stop it, just like anyone should feel obligated to stop murder.

    i personally am pro-choice, but i think many pro-choicers completely miss the whole issue; they think it's black and white. ..
    I have had these exact thoughts. It is a difficult issue. For those who believe in a soul, a life beyond this one, we cannot know when the soul comes into the body.

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    This post isn't argumentative, but it will hopefully provide a perspective you may not be familiar with.

    A human embryo is the type of thing that has the potential to use reason in order to guide its action. An abortion forever deprives this being from exercising its potential to intentionally act in such a way that brings beauty and goodness into a world that is full of suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    all rights branch out from the existence of life, and if the existence of the life was a mistake then the rights are waived to correct that.
    If the existence of life is not sufficient to gaurantee rights, then in what sense do rights branch out from the existence of life?

    I fail to see how it is impermissible to end an intended life if it is permissible to end an unintended life.

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    I don't want to get into a whole big thing, but the basis of all pro-choice thought is that a fetus is part of the woman's body, not a sentinent being itself. Hence, "Keep the government out of my body" and the like.

    If this is true, then why does a murderer face two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman? This has aggravated me forever, yet it never seems to be a part of the abortion debate.
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    Am personally pro-choice.

    note: pro-choice doesn't mean you kill every foetus though. It means the mother should have the right to decide whether or not to keep the child; rather than it being a blanket "yes" or "no".

    Because rarely is it ever so clearly black and white. What about women who become pregnant after rapes, in countries where abortion is illegal?

    There was a case once. An 8 year old Irish girl, who was raped. And become pregnant. No one knew she was pregnant til months later, because the girl was so traumatized, she couldn't even speak after the incident. The Catholic church did not allow an abortion.

    Her parents caused an international furore when they took their daughter to England for the abortion instead. The Church had tried to stop them.

    The way i see it, when the issue of abortion comes up, it is the measurement of the value of one life versus another: the life of the mother, or the life of the unborn child?

    Which takes precedence?

    And in that weighing of the balance, is the answer. It can never be so clearly cut-and-dried one way or the other. Because how can outsiders judge what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'?

    Hence, pro-choice for me.

    (having said that tho, my personal choice would be to keep the child. It's done nothing wrong to deserve death. For even if i don't have the means to bring it up, i can always give it up for adoption: there are so many thousands of childless couples out there, who'd love to have a child. Who'd do anything to have a child. So why deny life a chance?)
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