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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelchairdoug View Post
    I sometimes think it'd be nice to be religious just so I could have a set place where people with similar values congregate on a regular basis. That, and religious folks apparently live longer, happier lives. But I don't really have 'faith' in anything, let alone a 'God'.
    I have an entire thread on that... however, I fear that my belief mechanism is broken
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    That is why the fasci, or the bound bundle of sticks, is the symbol of Fascism.
    Would it be correct to say that Fascists are represented by faggots?



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_symbolism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    So religion has been replaced by spirituality.
    I thought it has been replaced by theatre (or at least that's what you said earlier).
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    You're right, I really should start one of those.
    Chimera of Filth

    A gruesome beast with dripping flesh
    Clings to me as a sick fixture
    My throbbing heart it gnawed apart
    It stalks and hunts me through mirrors

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    I believe that religion teaches a lot of things that are ethically wrong (homophobia, absolute certainty that "our" way is right and everyone else is wrong, etc), which ultimately caused me to become dissilusioned with and reject organized religion. Ironically, since I was raised religious, I was raised to believe that if one believes in God, one by default must believe the Bible, and that you can't agree with some parts of the Bible and not others.

    Well, I firmly believe that some parts of the Bible are absolutely true and relevent, but that others are no longer relevant in today's society, and are even detrimental. The fact that I firmly believe that some of the advice/edicts in the Bible are absolutely ethically correct, and that others are absolutely ethically wrong is a big factor leading me to question God's existence.

    Religion is responsible for a hell of a lot of bad things in the world. Lots of good things, too, undoubtedly, but I couldn't deal with the bad anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle View Post
    I believe that religion teaches a lot of things that are ethically wrong
    If you believe a religion is wrong, then it is wrong.

    You should not believe in something that is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle View Post
    I believe that religion teaches a lot of things that are ethically wrong (homophobia, absolute certainty that "our" way is right and everyone else is wrong, etc), which ultimately caused me to become dissilusioned with and reject organized religion. Ironically, since I was raised religious, I was raised to believe that if one believes in God, one by default must believe the Bible, and that you can't agree with some parts of the Bible and not others.

    Well, I firmly believe that some parts of the Bible are absolutely true and relevent, but that others are no longer relevant in today's society, and are even detrimental. The fact that I firmly believe that some of the advice/edicts in the Bible are absolutely ethically correct, and that others are absolutely ethically wrong is a big factor leading me to question God's existence.

    Religion is responsible for a hell of a lot of bad things in the world. Lots of good things, too, undoubtedly, but I couldn't deal with the bad anymore.
    Consider, dear Aquarelle, you are a member of a spiritual group called Central. We are organised round descriptions of the personality. And like church, we are place where we naturally gather.

    We have our ethical rules set out in some detall and enforced by our moderators, perhaps called elders or clergy in church.

    And we have our bible, "Personality Types", by our founder and inspiration, Carl Jung.

    Most of us believe in personal growth and we believe we can help each other to grow and develop as persons and as members of our community.

    We even have dissenters and unbelievers who we treat with tolerance.

    And our very name 'Central' finds our centre everywhere - for wherever we are, there is Central.

    And just think, dear Aquarelle, you are a significant part of Central.

    - And Central is a religion, Jim, but not a religion as we know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle View Post
    I believe that religion teaches a lot of things that are ethically wrong (homophobia, absolute certainty that "our" way is right and everyone else is wrong, etc), which ultimately caused me to become dissilusioned with and reject organized religion. Ironically, since I was raised religious, I was raised to believe that if one believes in God, one by default must believe the Bible, and that you can't agree with some parts of the Bible and not others.

    Well, I firmly believe that some parts of the Bible are absolutely true and relevent, but that others are no longer relevant in today's society, and are even detrimental. The fact that I firmly believe that some of the advice/edicts in the Bible are absolutely ethically correct, and that others are absolutely ethically wrong is a big factor leading me to question God's existence.

    Religion is responsible for a hell of a lot of bad things in the world. Lots of good things, too, undoubtedly, but I couldn't deal with the bad anymore.
    There is no religion in the world which teaches "homophobia" because homophobia is the supposed phobic reaction to homosexual acts and homosexuality, if it exists and there's as much reason to suppose its a political idea from within the psychoanalytical culture wars on the approving, as opposed to disapproving, side of developmental psychology.

    If I'm to understand you then contemporaneous respect and valuing of homosexual behaviour has led you to doubt the existence of God, got to say that doesnt particularly endear me to homosexuals and their cause. That's exactly the sort of devastating paradigm shift I've predicted or seen emerging from the whole gay rights idea. In reality it corresponds to the choices of a small number of individuals but its impact is far beyond that population.

    The passages in the bible, and I dont believe that any religious scriptures are synonymous with religion, if they are then that religion is dead and the scriptures are its head stone, have been seriously misrepresented. Deliberately so most of the time. There is an agenda. Religious are the dehumanised and villified "other", if you want to consider the other thread on that topic. Now perhaps this is a cyclical thing but presently, even making an allowance for the worst representatives, religion is more sinned against than sinning.

    The crimes which are often identified with homosexuality in the bible by modern readers are synonymous with rape and torture, its not about same sex attraction, the whole question of whether or not that is normal or abnormal has a history apart from religion, of course it entered into religion because religion was the main narrative or cultural channel before secularism, politics and pluralism permitted the diversity of thinking which exists today. In times past it would have been difficult to think about anything quite apart from religion or with reference to that. Therefore religion is often saddled with blame for cultural norms and values. Despite even the universality of Roman Catholicism and Christendom before the schisms and reformation fragmenting there was still a high degree of national and regional diversity.

    The study of taboos on homosexuality is unlike the study of other taboos on sexual behaviour because of the history. Unless a deliberate bias is adopted condemning the taboo and condoning its breech yesterday and today its virtually impossible to examine and it would eschew any possible research if it where adopted.

    The other idea of "our way is right and your way is wrong", I've got to say, what is wrong with that? I mean if everyone did not agree to drive on one side of the road there would be traffic chaos and that is only one example of accepting a single correct way of doing things, its one of the things which worries me about the modern non-judgemental mindset is that so often shuns any certainty and conviction but unconsciously has become so fierce about its norms and values as to make any discussion of them difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    If you believe a religion is wrong, then it is wrong.

    You should not believe in something that is wrong.
    Do you mean ethically wrong or untrue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    The highlighted escapes me. I just know that darkness is as much a part of the creation as light, and just as essential for balance in the world.
    Whether you believe that or not it remains that darkness IS darkness and light IS light and you do not confuse the one for the other. I believe that this age I'm living in has most things confused. That's one way of putting it and I could have said it was an age that things night is day.

    My point was that all the buzz words which are liable to get the cultural liberal fired up and infuriated, which they will use to distinguish between their own "good religion" or "good beliefs" and the "other kind", are labels I'm not worried being attached to my self and my beliefs.

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