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    What do you think of the effectiveness of Waterboarding? Do you think it is a viable means of obtaining information? Where does it fit in your moral compass? Do you think this form of torture should continue to exist? Is it justifiable?

    For those who do not know what water boarding is. Here is a link.

    Waterboarding is a form of torture in which water is poured over the face of an immobilized captive, thus causing the individual to experience the sensation of drowning. The captive's face is usually covered with cloth or some other thin material, and the subject is immobilized on his/her back. Water is then poured onto the face over the breathing passages, causing an almost immediate gag reflex and creating the sensation that the captive is drowning. Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage and death.[4] Adverse physical consequences can manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological effects can last for years.
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    Torture doesn't work, people just give false answers to get out of it if they don't actually have the answer. I guess it gives the participating parties a reason to continue their offensive if they're always on a wild goose chase though.
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    So many experts have claimed waterboarding is inefficient, including members of the FBI and CIA that it seems ludicrous that people still believe it's effective.

    If I was forcibly drowned, I'd do whatever I could to get out of it, including lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    If I was forcibly drowned, I'd do whatever I could to get out of it, including telling everything I knew.
    Fixed.

    Terrorists: If there is potential to save innocent lives, it is justifiable. Terrorists aren't worthy of human rights, in first place.
    Army combatants: They were being loyal to their nation. Just happened to be on the wrong side. As a general rule, they shouldn't be tortured.
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    Meh, torture just sounds silly from a practical POV, you never know if the tortured is telling the truth or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Fixed.

    Terrorists: If there is potential to save innocent lives, it is justifiable. Terrorists aren't worthy of human rights, in first place.
    Army combatants: They were being loyal to their nation. Just happened to be on the wrong side. As a general rule, they shouldn't be tortured.
    Seriously? I hope you're just trolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Fixed.

    Terrorists: If there is potential to save innocent lives, it is justifiable. Terrorists aren't worthy of human rights, in first place.
    Army combatants: They were being loyal to their nation. Just happened to be on the wrong side. As a general rule, they shouldn't be tortured.
    If your government committed acts of terrorism would you deny the people in question their human rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Fixed.

    Terrorists: If there is potential to save innocent lives, it is justifiable. Terrorists aren't worthy of human rights, in first place.
    Army combatants: They were being loyal to their nation. Just happened to be on the wrong side. As a general rule, they shouldn't be tortured.
    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    If your government committed acts of terrorism would you deny the people in question their human rights?
    This is also a good point

    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Fixed.

    Terrorists: If there is potential to save innocent lives, it is justifiable. Terrorists aren't worthy of human rights, in first place.
    Army combatants: They were being loyal to their nation. Just happened to be on the wrong side. As a general rule, they shouldn't be tortured.
    This seems to put more emphasis on torture as a punishment than as an information gathering tool. Does torturing terrorists save more innocent lives than torturing enemy soldiers? Also, at what point does one lose human rights? It seems like most people don't make a distinction between terrorist and insurgent. As far as the soldier thing goes, being a soldier doesn't give you a morality exemption under the "just following orders" rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gish View Post
    Seriously? I hope you're just trolling.
    Actually not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    If your government committed acts of terrorism would you deny the people in question their human rights?
    This question is so good that I don't know how to answer.

    I didn't say ''my justice'' is perfect, but imho is still fair.
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