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    Torture is never ethical, but sometimes you just need to do unethical things to achieve what you believe is the "greater good". Humans are tragically fallible in that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    Torture is never ethical, but sometimes you just need to do unethical things to achieve what you believe is the "greater good". Humans are tragically fallible in that way.
    It can be ethical.

    When you do it to achieve the greater good, it is because achieving the greater good is the ethical thing to do.

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    I'm for not being a hypocritical dick of a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    What do you think of the effectiveness of Waterboarding? Do you think it is a viable means of obtaining information?
    How the hell would I know? I'm not a professional interrogator. And I'm guessing neither is anybody here.
    As far as I am concerned, whatever works, they should use it. And if waterboarding isn't effective in obtaining accurate information, then the interrogators will rely on other, more effective methods. I see no need for anybody else to put their 2 cents into it. Let the professionals do their job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    I'm for not being a hypocritical dick of a country.

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    It's not hypocritical when you're better than them.



    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    How the hell would I know? I'm not a professional interrogator. And I'm guessing neither is anybody here.
    As far as I am concerned, whatever works, they should use it. And if waterboarding isn't effective in obtaining accurate information, then the interrogators will rely on other, more effective methods. I see no need for anybody else to put their 2 cents into it. Let the professionals do their job.
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    Waterboarding, it sounds like a sport, something like surfing.

    Its not the only interrogation technique that's used which shouldnt be, Amnesty International could tell you that, although there's a lot of tricks which wouldnt be unknown to most school yard bullies too, dont need to be over dramatic about it. Threaten peoples loved ones, demonstrate that you can destroy the things people love, pull people out of chairs by the hair, force fizzy water up the nose.

    The medicine could be worse than the disease. For the most part I believe that. Films like Unthinkable (I think that's the one) which feature torture in a positive light as saving lives in the event of concealed nukes dont persuade me any. If you've gotten to the point of lunatics concealing bombs its the same as kidnapping or rampaging nazis spraying campsites with gun fire, its already too late. At the point of cultural ferment or decay a social intervention of some sort was warranted which never happened.

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    Yesterday my constitutional law class teacher talked about a great article describing scenarios where torture should be not only allowed but enforced. I found it pretty interesting.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/27/ar...-IDSIDE28.html
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    How about sodium pentathol?

    A lot less violent, perhaps much more effective.

    A Professor of mine is a retired military officer.
    He held a diplomatic position during the Cold War.
    Several defectors came through his office.
    There were also a few folks that "accidentally wound up there."
    His comment to me was very interesting.
    He said most successful interrogations do not begin with violence.
    They begin with a cigarrette.
    Once the captive realizes they are indeed in the custody of their sworn enemy, and that they are being treated with kindness, rather than cruelty, you'd be surprised at how much they tell and how quickly, especially if they are not being treated well by their superiors.

    I'm sure some interrogations get ugly, especially when there is very little time and alot on the line.
    Such is the price of war I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    I'm for not being a hypocritical dick of a country.

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