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    When the president does it, that means it's not illegal

    We are not savages

    We are bound by law

    We have a responsibility to keep our country safe and prosperous

    Water is the gift of life we should bestow upon all, even our enemies

    I am America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    I didn't say ''my justice'' is perfect, but [in my humble opinion] is still fair.
    How... consistent of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    When the president does it, that means it's not illegal

    We are not savages

    We are bound by law

    We have a responsibility to keep our country safe and prosperous

    Water is the gift of life we should bestow upon all, even our enemies

    I am America
    Love your 1 liner posts.
    They hit the spot (make valid inquiries or points) and never a spam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Terrorists aren't worthy of human rights, in first place.
    Who is worthy of human rights if not humans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    This seems to put more emphasis on torture as a punishment than as an information gathering tool.
    Work both ways. But there still has to be objectivity.
    Does torturing terrorists save more innocent lives than torturing enemy soldiers?
    Not necessarily. The important factor is the motivation. Soldiers are protecting their nation. Terrorists want a place in heaven with 72 virgins or something and are willing to kill as many as they can to achieve this goal. I'm generalizing here, but their motivation is almost always both selfish and lunatic.
    Also, at what point does one lose human rights?
    The exact moment they lose regard for human life.

    (to everybody) Btw I also wanna know your solutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Who is worthy of human rights if not humans?
    When they stop considering the rights of others (negligible or invaluable or even punishable buy cutting their throats off).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    When they stop considering the rights of others (negligible or invaluable or even punishable buy cutting their throats off).
    Is the person being waterboarded human or non-human?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Is the person being waterboarded human or non-human?
    He is human.
    I love where this is going.
    CheckMate me Beargryllz.
    Though I (like no one else) don't like to lose, I do like a good debate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    When they stop considering the rights of others (negligible or invaluable or even punishable buy cutting their throats off).
    So when someone else stops recognizing human rights it becomes ok to do likewise to them? It's ok, though, because they did it first?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Soldiers are protecting their nation.
    This is overly idealistic, I think.

    Terrorists want a place in heaven with 72 virgins or something and are willing to kill as many as they can to achieve this goal. I'm generalizing here, but their motivation is almost always both selfish and lunatic.
    The states' motivation, while normally not lunatic, is virtually always selfish and they're willing to kill to achieve the goal.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Btw I also wanna know your solutions.
    You have human rights by virtue of being human. So you have them until you die.

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