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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    What is Philosophy?
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    Philosophy is bunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    Philosophy is bunk.
    And can you expound on that statement?

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    Hmm so truth is wisdom and it is wise to set down ground rules for what discussions may be held in the persuit of wisdom?

    Sounds distinctly unwise and presumptuous to me.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Philosophy is that field of inquiry which encompasses all other fields of inquiry.

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    First and foremost, philosophy is the search for knowledge, agreed. But it also is about the dispelling of ignorance, something some people tend to forget.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO
    Philosophy is bunk.
    And you're ignorant. Are we done exchanging baseless statements, or can you actually back yours up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyonder View Post
    First and foremost, philosophy is the search for knowledge, agreed. But it also is about the dispelling of ignorance, something some people tend to forget.


    And you're ignorant. Are we done exchanging baseless statements, or can you actually back yours up?

    I thinkthat one's task as a philosopher is not to force people to learn 'dispell ignorance' but simply put ideas out there, and offer them opportunities to learn. When I write, I write only to get the truth, as dispassionately as possible, never do I write to convince, thats dangerous it can really compromise your intellectual honesty.

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    Well, we go at it from different angles, then. I, for one don't just do philosophy. I also use rhetorics. There always has been a certain tension between the two, and although I'll concede that rhetorics can possibly detract from intellectual honesty, combining the two while remaining truthful creates a much more powerful organon imho. It's like using a shield and a sword, instead of just defending. My guess is that it has mostly to do with temperament, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beyonder View Post
    Well, we go at it from different angles, then. I, for one, don't just do philosophy. I also use rhetorics. There always has been a certain tension between the two, and although I'll concede that rhetorics can possibly detract from intellectual honesty, combining the two while remaining truthful creates a much more powerful organon imho. It's like using a shield and a sword, instead of just defending. My guess is that it has mostly to do with temperament, though.

    Temperament in a typological sense, or a vernacular. Rhetoric by definition means the art of using language efficiently, its task should be nothing other than clear exposition.

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    In a vernacular sence. And rhetorics deffinately isn't just about that. Well, not the way I learned it anyway, wich is the ancient form... Rhetorics in a more modern form seems to have lost it's wild hairs, something wich I strongly deplore. Most modern rhetoricians would agree with you, though.
    BTW, I don't want to leave a wrong impression. I don't employ hardcore rhetorics when actually doing philosophy. Just style, form and layout.
    All other topics are freeform, to me though.
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