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    @Zarathustra,

    I interpreted @Amargith's chart from scratch using the basic astro.com natal chart and two special charts in their extended chart selection section.

    I have a particular system for interpretations, and generally only refer to "canned" interpretations when reading someone I know as a way of keeping me honest.

    In other words, the canned explanation is sort of like a benchmark, if what I'm saying about a particular aspect strays too far from the generalized interpretation, then I know my reading of the chart is too subjectively biased. I acknowledge to whomever I read that it's impossible to be 100% pure, but I can at least be objective about the amount of personal knowledge I'm bringing into a reading.
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    Just read my birth chart.

    Whoa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    Just read my birth chart.

    Whoa!
    Which site did you use?

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Some things have no ability to inform outside of being subjected to the Forer effect.
    Ok.

    And if astrology is not true, then this is the case for astrology.

    But if it is true, then it is not the case.

    So your statement still proves nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    If something just hits you with a ball of contradictions, there's a problem.
    That depends on what you mean by "hits you with a ball of contradictions".

    Some things, if you are being overly literal, can seem like a contradiction, but then, when examined more closely, and within proper context, all of a sudden reveal themselves as being perfectly able to reside within the same individual.

    That's why I used the color analogy.

    Having blue as one of your colors does not mean red cannot also be one of your colors.

    The overly literal person would scream at that, "No! You can't be both red and blue!", and sound like an idiot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Well, you're right that I haven't invested much time in it, and I won't. I don't want to.
    That's fine, that's your choice.

    Just remember that, when you're opining on the matter, you have an insufficient basis of knowledge for judgment.

    And also, at the very least, if nothing else, you should watch that CBC interview with Tarnas.

    At this point, to not do so, would be to intentionally remain willfully ignorant.

    You don't have to believe it, but at least give it an open listen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    But do you know anyone who you think has invested this sufficient amount of time in it, and has kept an open mind in studying it, who has concluded that it is all bullshit?
    I don't really know that many people who have invested any time in it.

    The only person I know, really, who comes to mind, is Rex.

    I know someone else who is into it (she actually is the one who originally gave me Tarnas' book), but she doesn't give nearly as critical an eye to it (she's an INFP, and, for whatever reason[s], was just more naturally inclined to believe in it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Which site did you use?

    Thoughts?
    I used astromatrix.

    I thought it went really deep, actually. A lot of what it said was too eerily accurate and specific for it to simply be the Forer effect in action.. I think so anyway.

    Never looked into my birth chart before. So glad I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nights and Days View Post
    I used astromatrix.

    I thought went really deep. A lot of what it said was too eerily accurate and specific for it to simply be the Forer effect in action.. I think so anyway.

    Never looked into my birth chart before. So glad I did.
    Cool.

    Glad you got value out of it.

    I've got some techniques for making more sense of it.

    So, if you have any questions, or would like some recommendations, just feel free to ask.

    There's a lot of information in your natal chart, and figuring out what is more relevant, and what is less, can be challenging.

    Not each aspect is as important as all the other ones, and figuring out the order of importance is helpful and valuable.

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    Do I not see what everyone's talking about with this forer effect because I'm a 6w7?

    ...and already identify with having internal contradictions...

    I guess I just don't see that as reason to debunk something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Do I not see what everyone's talking about with this forer effect because I'm a 6w7?

    ...and already identify with having internal contradictions...

    I guess I just don't see that as reason to debunk something...
    I understand why people have these objections.

    I just also see why they're wrong.

    Or, at the very least, why they aren't necessarily meaningful.

    And why, if you're actually giving astrology a fair chance to present itself, these objections don't come even close to negating it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I understand why people have these objections.

    I just also see why they're wrong.

    Or, at the very least, why they aren't necessarily meaningful.

    And why, if you're actually giving astrology a fair chance to present itself, these objections aren't anything close to negating it.
    Yea, but when I first read about my chinese zodiac (I'm the rabbit) I scoffed. Then I found out I was a 6...and after that, I read it again and now I have no idea how I could have ever denied it.

    Shadows work in mysterious ways... And one of the biggest purposes a shadow brings, is balance to our many contradictions....

    At least that's my take on it.
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