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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I see, circular reasoning is not susceptible to things that happened in the real world.

    F. C. Burkitt thinks that "most English readers of the New Testament have been too long content with the rough and ready Harmony of the Four Gospels that they unconsciously construct. This kind of 'Harmony' is not a very convincing picture when looked into, if only because it almost always conflicts with inconvenient statements of the Gospels themselves, statements that have been omitted from the 'Harmony,' not on any reasoned theory, but simply from inadvertence or the difficulty of fitting them in."
    I don't see how that's relevant to whether the Gospel was meant for the Jews alone or for the whole world.

    Even if Matthew 28:19 were omitted, Christ's command to preach to all nations is clearly stated in Mark 16:15. :

    And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation."
    And it is further supported by Acts 1:6-8. :

    So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
    You said:
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    Jesus wants his followers to go only to other Jews. You are one of his followers, but not all of us reading your posts are Jews.
    and
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    It would also be very un-Jewish of Jesus to instruct his followers to proclaim his religious ideas to anyone but his fellow Jews.
    Can you defend these statements, in light of the texts I quoted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words of Ivory View Post
    And all this religious bickering has... what to do with wisdom, exactly?

    Many of choose not to believe in God in the Christian sense of the word. I guess that means none of us are wise then.
    Are you called Words of Ivory because everything you say, like an elephant's tusk would, pierces the reader?
    Escape powerful genjitsu by averting your gaze from the eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    I don't see how that's relevant to whether the Gospel was meant for the Jews alone or for the whole world.
    The first part states why your arguments can never be more than baseless claims. The second part tells you that there is no 'the gospel'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Can you defend these statements, in light of the texts I quoted?
    Yes. The first is evidenced by Matthew 10:5; the second by thousands of years of Jewish tradition (and probably by things written in the Tanakh).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    You don't have to listen to me. Listen to the words of Christ Himself:
    Some of us don't care about the words written in an old book.

    Some of us would consider that to be the wise decision.

    But in reality its not. The wise decision is to simply accept the different beliefs of others, whether they contradict yours or not, instead blindly following doctrine as "truth" when it is simply "guidance".

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    Are you called Words of Ivory because everything you say, like an elephant's tusk would, pierces the reader?
    I can't tell if you're complimenting me for my words or being sarcastic. O.o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post

    Yes. The first is evidenced by Matthew 10:5; the second by thousands of years of Jewish tradition (and probably by things written in the Tanakh).

    At one point in the narrative, Christ instructs his disciples not to go to the Gentiles.

    Then, later in the narrative, he instructs them to go to all the nations.

    The latter does not contradict the former. It's simply a new command.

    (Let me rephrase that...)

    The latter supersedes the former. It is a new command.

    If you don't understand that, I'm not sure what else to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    At one point in the narrative, Christ instructs his disciples not to go to the Gentiles.

    Then, later in the narrative, he instructs them to go to all the nations.
    We were omitting Matthew 28:19. So the other command is from another text describing events invented by another unknown person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    We were omitting Matthew 28:19. So the other command is from another text describing events invented by another unknown person.
    Another ?

    I'm sure you can do better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Another ?

    I'm sure you can do better than that.
    What is it that you don't understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    What is it that you don't understand?
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Or if you even have one.

    In any case, I'm prepared to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make.
    That might explain how you came to be such a devoted christian.

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    In any case, I'm prepared to move on.
    I very much doubt it; I rather suspect you would go back or run in circles.

    Anyway, I think we can end this silly game now. You have been far less entertaining than I had hoped.

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