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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I meant no offense...I'm thinking more of intellectual scientist types; those that think there is a Theory of Everything sans God.
    Ah ok. No offense was really taken and I apologize if I sounded annoyed in my post, it's just something that's come up multiple times for me over the years and I really just don't have much of an answer for it and it's kind of annoying when someone just dismisses YEARS of soul searching so nonchalantly. I know many believers have expressed similar frustrations when nonbelievers accuse them of not thinking or of "being stupid" as it's a very similar dismissal of their own respective journeys and it's why I don't do it.

    I genuinely do want to believe, I'd love to find some sort of deity that did care about me and wanted the best for me. I've actually started going back to my old Lutheran church as, after so many years of not going, I feel like it's something I need to do and it's where my journey is taking me. Maybe I'll reconvert, maybe I won't, maybe I'll reach some other point. I don't know, but it's something I feel like I need to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    plain english, please. i don't understand what you are getting at with the bold.
    Sorry that is plain english. If you fundamentally doubt that your significant other loves or relates to you can it ever be sufficiently evidenced to the contrary? The same goes for belief in God. Or in God's love and relating to mankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Sorry that is plain english. If you fundamentally doubt that your significant other loves or relates to you can it ever be sufficiently evidenced to the contrary? The same goes for belief in God. Or in God's love and relating to mankind.
    I guess I don't understand why it was directed at me. That's why this made no sense.

    I was responding primarily to people posting and then having others write up posts questioning their beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I guess I don't understand why it was directed at me. That's why this made no sense.

    I was responding primarily to people posting and then having others write up posts questioning their beliefs.
    It wasnt a specific reply, it was just a general point. What you had typed made me think of it. Perhaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    Tell us about a time that you experienced God's amazing love for you.
    I've experienced God's love through peace and joy that transcends all understanding. It's a love that transcends any loves I've ever known.

    So though God's love has changed me in so many ways, I still have humanly pride that tries to surface when I want to be the best at EVERYTHING, or when protocols are breached, or communication gets poor, or when something is crashing & burning and I’m in over my head; in which case, let’s mosey off a cliff, nobody will miss me. Who could ever love someone like that? Guess what, God can. It’s in times like those that I’ve experienced God’s love in the most miraculous ways; where when looking back, I was able to clearly see where God carried me through.

    Finally, I’ve experienced God's love working through people. :]


    (Deuteronomy 31:8) "The LORD himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged."

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I like your post in general, and I used to say things like this before I really believed in God again. But,

    I don't often find what I think I need and I am very open.

    I reconcile this by believing that what I think I need is different than what God thinks I need.
    I think we are not so much disagreeing, as having different perspectives of similar experiences. Now and then I do not achieve something I want despite my best efforts. In these cases, I have learned to reevaluate my goals and wishes, and go with the flow that seems to be coming my way. I have invariably found something even better than what I originally wanted. Perhaps you would describe this as the difference between what you want and what God wants for you. I see it as harmonizing my individual Will with the pattern of the universe. My perspective does not arise from atheism. I am actually quite spiritual, my view of deity is just far from the mainstream, and this is one way I relate to it.

    The way I frame my goals and wishes has evolved somewhat in response to this. They have become more broad, more general, so as not to overconstrain solutions or exclude worthwhile opportunities. I also think in terms of gaining the ability to solve a problem or reach a goal, rather than being handed the solution or the result directly. I see myself, then, as very much a participant rather than a recipient.

    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I meant no offense...I'm thinking more of intellectual scientist types; those that think there is a Theory of Everything sans God.
    As someone who most days passes for an "intellectual scientist type", I can tell you that, when my personal faith and spirituality were at their most tenuous, it was the writings of great classical scientists like Galileo and Newton that kept me from losing faith altogether, and set my spiritual development back on track. We are not all godless unfeeling know-it-alls. In fact, we are often in a unique position to observe and appreciate the wonder of the creator through creation itself.

    @ OP: I suppose I do not so much experience God's love as I feel God's wonder.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Longing for Love

    As babies we all needed to be loved in order to survive.

    And as children and adolescents we needed to be loved in order to thrive.

    But many of us weren't loved enough in order to thrive and so we are constantly looking for love.

    And so we are easily exploited by those who peddle God's Love.

    Our only consolation is that the worst has already happened and that we weren't loved enough in order to thrive, leaving us to neurotically search for love for the rest of our lives. Each one of us is the Flying Dutchman, condemned to sail the seas forever and never put into port.

    The port
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I suppose I do not so much experience God's love as I feel God's wonder.
    Ohhh I like this...
    Your kisses, sweeter than honey. But guess what, so is my money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I meant no offense...I'm thinking more of intellectual scientist types; those that think there is a Theory of Everything sans God.
    I'd say those types are the open minded ones, since they don't jump to completely unfounded assumptions about a theoretical entity outside their perceivable universe.

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