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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Exactly.
    Would you mind citing the relevant passages from your bible?

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    i don't believe in truth, only wishful thinking and betting on things that appear to make sense

    i'll only bet on stuff if it seems convenient to do so, or i have no other way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Would you mind citing the relevant passages from your bible?
    Ok, this is a bit of a derail, but you asked for it.


    On the pre-temporal existence of God:

    "No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began." (1 Corinthians 2:7)

    "This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time" (2 Timothy 1:9)

    "The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time"(Titus 1:2)

    "To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen." (Jude 1:25)

    On Jesus' claims of being God:

    “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham?” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am.” (John 8:56-58)

    Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” “We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:30-33)

    Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how do you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” (John 14:6-9)

    Further references:

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)
    "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)

    "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:17)

    "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    i don't believe in truth, only wishful thinking and betting on things that appear to make sense

    i'll only bet on stuff if it seems convenient to do so, or i have no other way
    This is what I'm up against, Nicodemus!

    Apathy, and intellectual laziness, and nihilism!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    This is what I'm up against, Nicodemus!

    Apathy, and intellectual laziness, and nihilism!
    i'll be intellectual when the need strikes
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    I don't think the author of John was tapping into preexisting trinity ideals so much as platonic/neo-platonic ideals. There was a lot of Jewish/Hellenistic cultural exchanges before the New Testament for hundreds of years already, and some of the lingo in John shows it. The "Word" mentioned in the Gospel of John (Greek "logos") was already something widely discussed. For the Stoics particularly, they believed the "Word" was a sort of creative force that governed the universe. Near the time of the NT, the Platonic Jewish philospher Plotinus gave it divine attributes. Here, it was not just an impersonal force, but something that embodied God in every way. It was seen in the same sense in how some think the "word of a man" defines him. So it is with God, in Plotinus' way of thinking. The logos is God, more or less.

    Next comes the writer of John who says this word, this Logos, took on the form of flesh. It's something that was never explored by the synoptic gospel writers (Mark, Luke, Matthew.. they had a more quick, down to earth, narrative style). John was trying to present something more profound.

    It's not known whether he was responsible for the idea catching on though or if it was already prevalent. If you look at many Gnostic texts (which are also rooted in neoplatonic thinking), they play the Logos concept to the Nth degree. And the Gnostics were already taking root in the 1st century. Maybe John was one of them, or they were all offshoots of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    i'll be intellectual when the need strikes
    But the position! The position!

    "I don't believe in truth..."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    But the position! The position!

    "I don't believe in truth..."

    truth could exist. but see with the position .. it's like something i'm agnostic about. i can't just leave it at that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    truth could exist. but see with the position .. it's like something i'm agnostic about. i can't just leave it at that?
    You can leave it at that.

    Agnosticism is alright.

    I would still call it lazy, in this case.

    But it's certainly more acceptable than outright disbelief.

    Saying truth doesn't exist is tantamount to denying the existence of reality.

    Being agnostic about whether we can really know anything about reality: at least a little more acceptable.

    If you're only 17, you still have much room for growth...

    Consider this: by stating that you're not sure whether we can know the truth, you are stating a truth claim, no?

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