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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What is true for me are certain things I don't understand. I don't understand why integrity is so over-ridingly important for me. I can't understand why I almost make a fetish of intellectual integrity. I don't understand why integrity is a real thing for me.

    Of course I can see that compromise is useful, even necessary in the world, but my heart isn't in it.

    I think that the answer, in the rag and bone yard of my heart, is that integrity brings me joy.
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    The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

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    I'm going to throw this comment out there: Nobody really cares about Universal Truth.
    The civilized world cares about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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    Reductionism

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    This seems to me to be the ultimate in reductionism - reducing a rich, complex, joyful, living person to two letters.

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    There aren't too many truths, solely perceptions that align or don't align.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This seems to me to be the ultimate in reductionism - reducing a rich, complex, joyful, living person to two letters.
    The concept behind those two letters is extremely rich and complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The concept behind those two letters is extremely rich and complex.
    In line with the topic by Nicodemus, it seems we have two truths here - your idea of rich and complex and my idea of rich and complex.

    I see MBTI as narrow and impoverished, designed to reduce living persons to types so we can be categorised and manipulated for the benefit of those in power.

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    'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,—that is all.
    Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'

    Beyond earth, you need the standard model. (Which is so fugly it can't possibly be true.)
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I see MBTI as narrow and impoverished, designed to reduce living persons to types so we can be categorised and manipulated for the benefit of those in power.
    And that's why I said Fi and not Ti.

    You don't actually value intellectual integrity.

    You value integrity to your own subjective value judgments.

    And there is nothing wrong with that.

    It is who you are.

    An Fi-dom.

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    Smile Is that right?

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    And that's why I said Fi and not Ti.

    You don't actually value intellectual integrity.

    You value integrity to your own subjective value judgments.

    And there is nothing wrong with that.

    It is who you are.

    An Fi-dom.
    Let me see, have I got this right?

    You are telling me who I am based on an invalid and unreliable personality test, that I have never seen, let alone done.

    Is that right?

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    There is no truth, only perception. There is only belief held by the majority and minority. If the majority holds it, its objective. If the minority holds it, its subjective. But yet, this still seems false. I can look at a couch and attribute 100,000 charactoristics (also defined by the majority) but do I now know the truth of the couch? NO! Becaue I am not the couch. Only the couch knows the couch. Subject-object divide.

    The closest you can get to this "truth" you speak of is by understanding everything an object was, everything it is, and everything it will be. Do this as objectively as possible in your subjective lens, and it might get close. And it might not.

    What the fuck is the point?

    I'm drunk and my vision fails.

    Edit: If absolute truth exists, the limitation of words could never reach it.
    Man suffers only because he takes seriously what the gods made for fun - Watts

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