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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    My last taboo was piety. And so I am inclined to revel in my impiety.

    So I am impius towards MBTI and naturally towards faith.

    I do understand my impiety is a scandal for the pius. And that breaking the last taboo disconcerts believers and perhaps even caused disgust and anger.

    But I love my freedom from piety - I can dance where I like - an impius imp, free, free at last.
    Depending on your definition of pious, I am either pious and can still dance where I like, or I am impious and can do the same.

    Either way, I do not see why piety and dancing where you like must be at odds.

    Regardless, I thank you for the openness and candidness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Depending on your definition of pious, I am either pious and can still dance where I like, or I am impious and can do the same.

    Either way, I do not see why piety and dancing where you like must be at odds.
    Well, to create I need only one condition - I need to be free.

    I need to be physically free - I need my health and an income.

    And I need to be psychologically free - I need to be free from my cultural imperatives and taboos.

    Cultural imperatives and taboos are difficult to free ourselves from because they are largely invisible and also unconsciously shared by those around us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Regardless, I thank you for the openness and candidness.
    Your culture makes the distinction between phoney and genuine, or beween phoney and open and candid, while my culture makes the same distinction between boring and amusing.

    So for us to understand one another we need to transcend the cultural distinctions which are invisible to us and which we take for granted.

    And always remembering that ecstasy is stepping outside the taken for granted.

    And that ecstasy leads to understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    That's right if we were talking about the definition of truth from the dictionary, silly. Nicodemus was asking about our personal conceptions of truth, which is our connotation of the word 'truth'.
    I was answering the part about what is required for X to be true.

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    In any case, "varieties of truth" do not exist--except as mental constructs.

    In reality, there is only truth and falsehood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    In any case, "varieties of truth" do not exist--except as mental constructs.

    In reality, there is only truth and falsehood.
    That's a mental construct in itself. The act of looking at something changes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    That's a mental construct in itself. The act of looking at something changes it.
    I disagree.

    But even if it is a mental construct, either it accurately reflects reality or it doesn't.

    If it does, then it's true. If it doesn't, it's false.

    My point is that the human mind can conceive of varieties of truth, but in reality there are no varieties of truth. There is only truth and falsehood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    Kierkegaard was an existentialist, not a Christian.
    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    I disagree.

    But even if it is a mental construct, either it accurately reflects reality or it doesn't.

    If it does, then it's true. If it doesn't, it's false.

    My point is that there are no varieties of truth. There is only truth and falsehood.
    It is all a mental construct. How can it not be? Falsehood... give me an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurgeon View Post
    In any case, "varieties of truth" do not exist--except as mental constructs.

    In reality, there is only truth and falsehood.
    Should the United States have gone into Afghanistan? How about Iraq?

    Was the $775B original stimulus package worth it? Should it have been larger, should it have been smaller, or was it just right?

    Should Congress pass Obama's $450B jobs bill? Would it be effective? Or would other options be better at stimulating job growth?

    Please, show me the single, unalterable truth for each of these questions.

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