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    A wise man once said

    "Hell is other people"

    I think he is full of shit. There are so many worse things than other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I'm glad you asked. This is my model for free will versus determinism. God gives us free will, yet there is an underlying determinism to everything. And sometimes there is a bit of each completely encompassed within the other...represented by the "spot."


    I think God gives free will but has a plan, people can deviate from it if they want, although they will be happier if they dont and will know themselves when they are living according to it or not.

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    giggly, what do you think? do you believe in hell or demons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post


    Love the double standards this post exemplifies right here.
    I'm actually not seeing any double standards here. I was raised to believe nothing unless it follows a logical progression. The existence of a place where bad people go after they die to be tortured forever does not follow a logical progression. The belief in it is derived from people a long time ago with a whole lot of problems in their society. They thought "if the murderers, rapists, thieves and other ne'er do wells believe that they will suffer endlessly for doing these bad things, they will not do them". It may have worked reasonably well, but it's still "stupid shit" because it's literal existence does not follow a logical progression.

    What you're probably referencing is the idea that logic is a belief. Logic is not a belief because it does not require faith. If you have one apple and are given a second, you have two apple,s regardless of how many you believe you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyk View Post
    I'm actually not seeing any double standards here...
    I know. You're not the only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    A wise man once said

    "Hell is other people"

    I think he is full of shit. There are so many worse things than other people.
    lol I can't believe I laughed as much as I did at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I know. You're not the only one.
    You'll notice I expanded on that statement. Common courtesy dictates you do the same.
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    If god created the world in which suffering is possible, he created suffering. If he is omnipotent, no excuses can be made for him letting it in. It's not an accident, it must be his choice. That being said, if you want to split hairs, I don't think a benevolent God would permit suffering anymore than create it. For a person like me there's a relevant difference between permission and creation regarding practicality. For an omnipotent being, there is no such distinction.

    And how do I have free will if God is omnipotent? Free will implies to me that he does not control my decisions, does not have power over them. That means something less than omnipotence. And if God potentially control those things but chooses not to, then he's choosing to allow us to stumble into sin and suffering when he could prevent it, therefore, not benevolent.

    And I strongly believe that it's not just the so-called west, and not just the past 500 years, but that for all times and places that there has been scientific and technological development there has been a move away from spirituality. Animist foragers didn't even have a concept of the super natural because they thought that they were simply describing that which was natural. As civilization advanced we had solved more and more mysteries and every one of those mysteries revealed things came down to forces of physics attainable to man. Each time this happened, spirituality has withdrawn a bit.
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    I voted "No", because I don't think the fantastical places described in fairy tales actually exist. However in some less literal sense of the word, I'd say that it does exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    I voted "No", because I don't think the fantastical places described in fairy tales actually exist. However in some less literal sense of the word, I'd say that it does exist.
    I'm not sure Hell is my idea of a fairytale. lol

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