I need evidence there's no heaven.

[Lark]

Yea I like that.

Tho its open how heaven is defined, for some heaven is a well cut green turf in the backyard for some its a champagne party with 20 naked blondes

This is an interesting point too, Borges wrote good material on how in literary terms in the past more time was spent trying to imagine hell than heaven in precise terms (the best hell I've heard of was a huge cavernous black and grey place which is layered with dust and dirt and has two thin lines of filthy water running in different directions through it and is totally deserted).

I have heard two accounts of heaven which I liked, one is from Shawshank Redemption in which one of the death row prisoners states that they hope God will let them return to the time they were happiest and remain there for eternity, the other was from a Graham Masterton pulp horror in which in a dialogue between demons and angels it is revealed the virtuous dwell in what they have always envisaged heaven to be.

For my part I love fresh cut lawns but I'm not a fan of champagne

 

[Qlip]

Karl Jaspers said that any God whose existence could be proven was no God.

Hmmm.. I don't know about that one, but I'm pretty much just a hedge philosopher. Can you explain his position?

 

[Lark]

Not really. Just because you can think of it, doesn't mean it must exist. Unless it's porn.

I once read about a very elaborate and terrifying version of hell based upon this in a novel called beauty, it really made me think about life and the books I read.

 

[Lark]

Hmmm.. I don't know about that one, but I'm pretty much just a hedge philosopher. Can you explain his position?

Once I understand it, I've ordered a book and its going to arrive in the next week or two hopefully.

 

[Betty Blue]

Not really. Just because you can think of it, doesn't mean it must exist. Unless it's porn.

If i can concieve an idea then it exists, even if it's solely in idea form.
Porn? meh...boring.

 

[Not_Me]

Heaven is real indeed. But I'm not allowed to post links to her porn site.

 

[Lord Guess]

Well, one argument against heaven's existence is that nobody has seen, heard, felt, smelt, or tasted it. By this logic, I could also say that Scooby-Doo is more likely to be real than heaven is.

 

[Nicodemus]

 

[colourscientist]

easy. human beings can only appreciate happiness if misery is in the picture too, the good and the bad are meaningless without the other. eternal, undisturbed happiness therefore is not a real possibility.

 

[Lark]

easy. human beings can only appreciate happiness if misery is in the picture too, the good and the bad are meaningless without the other. eternal, undisturbed happiness therefore is not a real possibility.

What if you've had life to compare it to?

 

[Kekira]

Well you also have to wonder what exactly makes something real as well. That you can see it? Or that your life was greatly affected by it?

You could also use the tried and true method and just say "If there's no giant spaghetti monster flying around in space then there's no heaven either. "

 

[rhinosaur]

a great great man so great that i forgot his name once said: heaven is everywhere where we create it

So, we'll make heaven a place on earth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGEyBeoBGM&ob=av3e


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNdMc6wGtU

 

[Octarine]

I need, supply please.

Is heaven some sort of new drug?

 

[Daemon Corax]

The burden of proof is on the side of people making unverifiable claims ("Heaven exists" is such a claim) and should not be passed to others. Read about Russell's teapot, it's a great analogy which illustrates this idea.

 

[Zaid]

Heaven is built on the idea of faith, if you know it's undoubtedly there, then there is no reason to have faith.

 

[Mole]

We can't prove a negative so we can't prove there is no heaven anymore than we can prove there is no teapot in orbit around Mercury.

 

[Xyk]

Have you seen the Russell's Teapot argument? Bertrand Russell addresses this pretty well.

 

[Munchies]

people who beleive in god need proof of ots none existance. People who disbeleive in god need proof in it's existance. Why cant anyone just come to terms that they are insignificant peices of shit that doesnt have the capacity to know otherwise, and why can't they jsut be happy with the fact taht they don't know, and will ever know?

 

[Xann]

Munchies, wut u sayin' bro? I wonder how many premature grey hairs you have caused in otherwise milfy english teachers.

 

[Sniffles]

How can you gather proof that something does not exist?

Yeah that was my thought too when reading this thread - you can't prove a negative.