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    The snake is clearly a phallic symbol, displayed in order to disarm the women with pure manliness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    The snake is clearly a phallic symbol, displayed in order to disarm the women with pure manliness.
    What brand do you believe the snake to be? It needs an identity so the donner can feel loved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    I think @Victor has some really interesting perspectives to share. I just wish he would be willing to actually discuss them, as people typically would on a forum, since that is usually the purpose of posting them to a forum.

    Victor, it seems to me like your experience here would be more enjoyable (for you and for everyone else) if you would be more willing to discuss your opinions with people who disagree, and expand on them and explain them more, rather than just declaring them from the soapbox and getting upset when people challenge you. It would make your contributions more interesting to everyone else, too.
    Agreed. Unfortunately, I don't think Victor will be hearing me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    What brand do you believe the snake to be?
    An entire bottle of Viagra.

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    OH SNAP. Talk about fakery!

    Jenaphor, I am not positive, but that could be a Joan Rivers snake from qvc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    An entire bottle of Viagra.
    Unfailing manhood hence proving that through branding, one can embrace their inner whore and live life to its fullest climactic pleasure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    I think @Victor has some really interesting perspectives to share. I just wish he would be willing to actually discuss them, as people typically would on a forum, since that is usually the purpose of posting them to a forum.
    He does say a lot. He simply says it primarily in metaphor. It's more like non-verbal communication. It's pretty interesting, I'd say.

    From what I've observed, it looks to me like this is the typical pattern:

    - Victor posts a statement that looks like a proclamation about underlying meanings and intentions
    - People challenge those statements and proclamations with their own opinions (the same as they would challenge statements made by others here, as this is a forum for the purpose of discussing things)
    - Victor does not address the challenging statements or discuss them, but instead posts the same proclamation in different words
    - People challenge them again
    - Victor gets upset and feels victimized
    - People recognize this pattern and respond in one of a number of ways:
    a) ignore anything Victor posts since it seems pointless to respond,
    b) make fun of him,
    c) tell him to start another thread instead and stop derailing the topic at hand,
    d) agree with him, since it seems to be the only way to get a response from him that doesn't involve him feeling victimized or "making it about him instead of the issue", or
    d) empathize with him and stick up for him.
    Way I see it, Victor doesn't write very much where he expects a response. Instead, he's just offering his own perspective on the issue, and hoping that you take it into account (or not). On the other hand, I can see why he considers the challenges to be bullying - sometimes, it comes across like correcting and chastening a child. There's nothing wrong with Victor having a unique perspective. It's kind of cool, really.

    Victor, it seems to me like your experience here would be more enjoyable (for you and for everyone else) if you would be more willing to discuss your opinions with people who disagree, and expand on them and explain them more, rather than just declaring them from the soapbox and getting upset when people challenge you. It would make your contributions more interesting to everyone else, too.

    What do you think?
    Would it still be him, though?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    This is more about projection than any vaunted higher morality framework or vaunted depth of insight, or some such.
    I don't think he's even talking about morality.

    Wear makeup and be happy!
    Isn't the point that it's strange if something like painting over one's own appearance could mean the difference between happiness and non-happiness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Victor should wear make-up in a Julia Gillard charade to feel loved.

    To be honest though, if you feel loved after dolling up, then you are capable of feeling loved. Make-up may not be the answer, but if it works, why not? It's ultimately up to you.
    I disagree. One's own fundamental worthiness to be loved should not depend on any external factors. When it does, this breeds all sorts of unhealthy approaches to life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I disagree. One's own fundamental worthiness to be loved should not depend on any external factors. When it does, this breeds all sorts of unhealthy approaches to life.
    In the case that one is unable to internalize their sense of love, I would prefer that they find it by measuring up to an external standard if only briefly, until they find the means to grow in a different direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I don't think he's even talking about morality.
    Victor's always moralising. And you conveniently missed the depth of insight.

    Isn't the point that it's strange if something like painting over one's own appearance could mean the difference between happiness and non-happiness.
    Have you never had fun in your life that spurts of quick pleasures like eating a piece of dark chocolate, hugging a loved one, reading a good book, all give you pleasure? It's like suggesting that life must be so serious all the time where a beautiful summer day like today should include wearing a hairshirt, to recant the pleasure of sunshine and warmth.

    Wearing makeup isn't all that deep. Many women also enjoy wearing fuck-me shoes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    He does say a lot. He simply says it primarily in metaphor. It's more like non-verbal communication. It's pretty interesting, I'd say.

    Way I see it, Victor doesn't write very much where he expects a response. Instead, he's just offering his own perspective on the issue, and hoping that you take it into account (or not). On the other hand, I can see why he considers the challenges to be bullying - sometimes, it comes across like correcting and chastening a child. There's nothing wrong with Victor having a unique perspective. It's kind of cool, really.
    Sure, but it isn't very realistic to post an opinion on a forum and then feel bullied when people challenge that opinion. In fact, I'd say that strategy is destined for failure.

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