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    My point is, it's nobody's business who wears makeup or why they wear it. Inevitably, as soon as there is a thread with people enthusiastically sharing brand names and techniques about makeup, there will be a male who starts a thread about women embellishing themselves and how they should not, how it implies wanting to hide, blah blah. Women don't necessarily wear makeup to gain male approval. For people who are into makeup, it is an art form and a form of self expression; so are tattoos (I don't have any, but I don't assume anything about the character of someone who does). Of course I'm beautiful as I am. I already am my ideal self. And part of my ideal self includes liking to paint. This is not even just female -- many makeup artists are male -- they choose the face as the canvas -- the art is not necessarily representational.

    Victor, didn't you mention that you wear lavender shoes? Why do you choose to wear lavender shoes? (or was it pants, I can't remember). Is this because you think the color will take you from your ideal self to your blah blah blah repressionist bullshit, or just because you enjoy the color?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, I did not write, "Victor's Thoughts on Makeup". These words were written by a moderator in a misguided attempt to shield the members from controversy.

    Let's face reality. Many here are threatened by controversy and rather than deal with the controversy, they attack the person. This is called group bullying and it is endemic here.
    Hmmm.. Sorry, I'm not making any sense of any of this. A mod titled the thread, and also the post?? Anyway, that's not important.. actually, none of this is important. This whole branch of conversation stems from your reaction to me partially disagreeing with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amerellis View Post
    Are you trying to say you have no beef with anyone? XD

    and I see what Victor meant in what he just said . . . People often hate the messenger when really it's the message itself that upsets them. That's what should be adressed instead of making things personal.
    Well, there's more than humble and proud. I do have beef with proud people who want to steal my Air Jordans, for instance, it has nothing to do with their proudness.

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    Victor came into a thread of people very happily sharing makeup tips and talking about where and how to wear yellow eyeshadow with this discussion. A mod very kindly lifted it out of the thread he was trying to derail and gave it its own space. If Victor would stop trying to derail people's threads, he would find himself less "bullied."

    P.S. Victor, let's do discuss your controversy because God forbid any controvery go unexplored. Your statement is "the imposition of beauty from the outside is an imposture." Did you mean "impostor"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It's OK now. Just skip the advertisement.
    so funny. can't take it.

    @Tiltyred : Well i mean he probably felt strongly about it.
    And I get what you are saying. sometimes it's like that but other times it's not. I mean, the influences of gender have been with us all our lives and we don't know what a world would be like with out the stereotypes so it's impossible to know how much of it is us being indocrintated if you will, or whether it's out of our sheer desire to express ourselves. edit: I'm sure most often it is a combination, almost like a spectrum with some girls falling heavier on one end or the other, the opposite ends of the spectrum being one end doing it to please only yourself the other doing it to only please others but obviously the truth is somewhere in between. When we've had all these different influences it's kind of hard, pretty much impossible to know for sure though what our real motivation is. While I'm with you, sometimes when I wear make up it feels like a form of expression, just because I want to, but also sometimes it's because it's expected like when I went to prom, or cause I want to look pretty for someone. Anyway, I do kind of agree that's it's personal though.

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    @Tiltyred Ahh.. okay, I should've guessed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    My point is, it's nobody's business who wears makeup or why they wear it. Inevitably, as soon as there is a thread with people enthusiastically sharing brand names and techniques about makeup, there will be a male who starts a thread about women embellishing themselves and how they should not, how it implies wanting to hide, blah blah. Women don't necessarily wear makeup to gain male approval. For people who are into makeup, it is an art form and a form of self expression; so are tattoos (I don't have any, but I don't assume anything about the character of someone who does). Of course I'm beautiful as I am. I already am my ideal self. And part of my ideal self includes liking to paint. This is not even just female -- many makeup artists are male -- they choose the face as the canvas -- the art is not necessarily representational.

    Victor, didn't you mention that you wear lavender shoes? Why do you choose to wear lavender shoes? (or was it pants, I can't remember). Is this because you think the color will take you from your ideal self to your blah blah blah repressionist bullshit, or just because you enjoy the color?
    Please! When a woman becomes genuinely aroused her eyelids become engorged and turn purple, here cheeks become flushed and turn pink, and her lips become engorged and turn red.

    So to mimic arousal women wear purple eyelid makeup, and rouge to colour the cheeks pink, and lipstick to colour the lips red.

    The purpose of mimicking arousal is to arouse the male. For when the male is aroused, he can't think straight and is susceptible to manipulation and suggestion by a woman who is not aroused, but only mimicking arousal, and so can think straight, and so has the advantage over the male.

    All is fair, they tell me, in love and war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Let's face reality. Many here are threatened by controversy and rather than deal with the controversy, they attack the person. This is called group bullying and it is endemic here.
    No, actually YOU are the one missing the point yet again.

    People were having a discussion about one topic ("How to apply and use makeup"); but you tried again to twist it into some completely different thread ("The ethical/social nature of makeup") and then accuse people of bullying you when the participants react poorly to your disruption. This pattern of behavior has been ongoing for at least two years now; it just gets very old. You might as well be the guy who always has to talk about his RPG characters no matter what the topic of conversation happens to be, and derails every conversation just in order to get back to discussing his characters.

    Your topic is not invalid, and it's worth discussing; but out of respect for people already having a conversation, you could simply choose to start your own thread elsewhere on YOUR particular angle of the topic, since they are really different discussions. Then people who want to participate with you can do so, and the other discussion can continue without being disrupted. You shouldn't consistently need the mods' help in order to set up your own thread and discussion ideas, and it should be easy to respect other people's discussions by not commandeering them consistently. I have trouble believing you're not aware of the social nuances here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    You stated an all encompassing opinion titled "Victor's Thoughts on Makeup" written and produced by Victor, with honorable mention to Victor. You *are* the ball by no fault of mine.
    My bad, it seemed like an appropriate title when I moved it from the original thread (where it was very much off topic). I probably should have added a comment that it was a moved thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, I did not write, "Victor's Thoughts on Makeup". These words were written by a moderator in a misguided attempt to shield the members from controversy.

    Let's face reality. Many here are threatened by controversy and rather than deal with the controversy, they attack the person. This is called group bullying and it is endemic here.
    Well, this part is horseshit. But again, my bad.
    -end of thread-

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