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    I don't have an issue with main stream as much as I have an issue with taking things that are complex and unique and watering them down to make them main stream. for instance, the fact that mainstream singers like Josh Groban, Sara Brightman or Lara Fabian are considered "opera singers" is just insulting. making niche interests mainstream strips them of their integrity, standards and sophistication.
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    this is classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yakimadude View Post
    this is classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I don't have an issue with main stream as much as I have an issue with taking things that are complex and unique and watering them down to make them main stream. for instance, the fact that mainstream singers like Josh Groban, Sara Brightman or Lara Fabian are considered "opera singers" is just insulting. making niche interests mainstream strips them of their integrity, standards and sophistication.
    usually when this happens, they are distinguished by putting a "pop" in front of the original genre. Like...pop-rock, pop-country, pop-pop, pop-punk, pop-post-punk, pop-post-pop-punk, pop-post-pop-pop-punk-metal-jazz-fusion..... .... . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    usually when this happens, they are distinguished by putting a "pop" in front of the original genre. Like...pop-rock, pop-country, pop-pop, pop-punk, pop-post-punk, pop-post-pop-punk, pop-post-pop-pop-punk-metal-jazz-fusion..... .... . . . .
    you mean, in theory, they're supposed to. truthfully, they rarely do. another thing I don't like is it gets rid of the exclusivity. opera is supposed to be exclusive, it's not supposed to be this cheap, mass produced thing that every simpleton you meet can understand. making an art form popularized makes it people pleasing, thus loosing it's integrity and authenticity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    you mean, in theory, they're supposed to. truthfully, they rarely do. another thing I don't like is it gets rid of the exclusivity. opera is supposed to be exclusive, it's not supposed to be this cheap, mass produced thing that every simpleton you meet can understand. making an art form popularized makes it people pleasing, thus loosing it's integrity and authenticity.
    I hope you grow out of this elitism some day. There's plenty of folk music that is authentic, and largely because it completely lacks pretentiousness. It's one of the main reasons why I like folk music from the 60's and 70's, as well as Southern rock.

    Folk music or popular doesn't equal inauthentic. That's really oversimplifying things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    you mean, in theory, they're supposed to. truthfully, they rarely do. another thing I don't like is it gets rid of the exclusivity. opera is supposed to be exclusive, it's not supposed to be this cheap, mass produced thing that every simpleton you meet can understand. making an art form popularized makes it people pleasing, thus loosing it's integrity and authenticity.
    Yeah, you're right. If you can't eat Siberian Tiger liver pate and listen to fat Italians moaning to each other without those filthy plebeians getting involved, you might as well stab yourself in the face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I hope you grow out of this elitism some day. There's plenty of folk music that is authentic, and largely because it completely lacks pretentiousness. It's one of the main reasons why I like folk music from the 60's and 70's, as well as Southern rock.
    Folk music or popular doesn't equal inauthentic. That's really oversimplifying things.
    please read my post more carefully before you resort to condescension and telling me to "grow up". I'm talking about music that is deliberately watered down to appeal to the masses. this is not the case with the genres you've mentioned, I've already made this distinction. also, not all elitist tendencies are bad. wanting to be in the presence of high quality and authenticity does not make you a snob that goes around turning there nose up at everyone. not everyone is a part of this earthy, collectivist hipster nation that so many people scorn me for not wanting to be a part of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    Yeah, you're right. If you can't eat Siberian Tiger liver pate and listen to fat Italians moaning to each other without those filthy plebeians getting involved, you might as well stab yourself in the face.
    what?
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