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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Just watch the TED talks and see that no dissent is allowed. No dissent is allowed from the audience and none is allowed on stage - it is just like church.

    And no dissent is allowed in TED talks because it would break the last taboo. Yes, the last taboo is piety.

    And notice when I break the taboo against impiety here, they won't address the issue I raise, rather they make me the issue.

    So please be impius, rediscover your intellectual integrity and your emotional freedom.
    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    Ok, but you can instead come here with your intellectual integrity and emotional freedom and talk freely about the specific topic at hand, right?

    Or if you're more interested in complaining about TED talks in general and their format and the people who follow them, you could start a new thread about that instead, yeah?
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I understand dissent makes you feel uncomfortable, just as it makes the audience and speakers at TED feel uncomfortable.

    But piety and dissent are not compatible, so TED has opted for piety and no dissent. Just like a church - the church of TED.

    But unlike TED, TypologyCentral practises freedom of speech.

    And the price we pay for freedom of speech is that sometimes we feel uncomfortable.
    Nope, dissent doesn't bother me; I'm ENTP, silly. You quoted my post, but your response sounds like you didn't read what I wrote because you didn't respond to anything I said.

    I made 2 points:

    1. If there are things you disagree with about the TED talks, instead of getting annoyed that you're not allowed to disagree on their website, you're free to start threads here to discuss your dissenting views. Why not? I think it would make for interesting discussion!

    2. The discussion of whether or not they allow dissenting discussions on TED is not relevant to this thread, so if you want to talk about that, you could start a new thread to talk about it, instead of derailing this thread.

    Anyway, I agree that it's silly not to allow people to disagree with them on their website, if that's true. I dunno, I've never tried joining in the discussions there. I suppose I might be irritated if I had an important point to add and they deleted it.

    However, a lot of public forums have very strict modding, so I would guess it's likely more a matter of editing your disagreement to suit the strict rules of etiquette there, than about the fact that you are disagreeing with them.

    So it doesn't bother me much, because we can just discuss it here instead. Which brings us back to my previous suggestion: if you disagree with something on TED, why not start a thread here to discuss it? And if you want a more in-depth discussion about freedom of speech on TED, why not start a thread here to discuss that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    OK, but judging by what you wrote at the end of your post, sounds like the disagreement here is primarily semantics, yeah?
    Yes, it was mainly semantics; some problems, of course, don't have practical solutions, but there is always a course of action to take which can make the situation better than it already is, or at least stop it from getting any worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    Yes, it was mainly semantics; some problems, of course, don't have practical solutions, but there is always a course of action to take which can make the situation better than it already is, or at least stop it from getting any worse.
    Usually true, yes. Although there may be some cases where the do-nothing option is better than the currently available do-something options.

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    The Disingenuous

    It is the TED talks themselves, not the site on the internet, that is like a church.

    The purpose of TED is to create a group trance to entrance the audience and the speaker.

    And dissent would have the unfortunate effect of waking up the speaker and the audience.

    And this is precisely why you don't like me dissenting on this thread.

    And you don't like me dissenting on this thread because you are entranced by TED and don't want to wake up to the cold light of day.

    I have met this so many times on Central with those who are entranced by MBTI and who deeply resent being woken up by dissent.

    And what do they tell me? Go find another thread, they say, disingenuously.

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    I think Victor is right, something always bothered me about TED talks and perhaps that's it.
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    The Message of Piety

    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    I think Victor is right, something always bothered me about TED talks and perhaps that's it.
    Quite so. The medium is the message. And it is TED as a medium that is the message.

    The content of TED is simply entrancing, and hey, we are all entranced.

    But the entrancing content of TED is simply to distract the watchdog of our minds, so the church of TED can deliver its message of piety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    I think Victor is right, something always bothered me about TED talks and perhaps that's it.
    I bet the wizard of Oz is behind the red curtain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I bet the wizard of Oz is behind the red curtain.
    The medium is behind the red curtain of content.

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    Harris is begging the question. We should start with, "Is there any good reason to think it has an answer?" I would say no. Harris is really just presenting utilitarianism redux with a dash of secular humanism, for all those that are unaware.

    Sam Harris has spent years studying with mystics and still practices meditation to this day. He also doctored in neuroscience. His gut feelings and intuitions are usually pretty reflective of reality. However, when he says things like that in the OP, I think he's trusting his gut a little too much.

    Edit: Not to derail the topic at hand, whatever it may be, but does anyone else think he's an INFJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catbert View Post
    All questions have answers, but that doesn't mean those answers will be deeply satisfying correct.
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